[NL2-NL10] AA in dicey spot

    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      10 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG (€24.06)
      UTG 1 (€14.49)
      Hero (€22.28)
      MP1 (€12.16)
      MP2 (€9.25)
      MP3 (€9.75)
      CO (€0.65)
      BTN (€8.60)
      SB (€15.14)
      BB (€15.04)

      Pre-flop: (€0.15, 10 players) Hero is UTG 2 A A
      2 folds, Hero raises to €0.4, 3 folds, CO goes all-in €0.65, 2 folds, BB calls €0.55, Hero calls €0.25

      Flop: 6 6 9 (€2, 3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets €1, BB calls €1

      Turn: T (€4, 3 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets €2, BB raises to €4, Hero calls €2

      River: Q (€12, 3 players)
      BB goes all-in €9.49, Hero ?.


      I don't think I beat much of anything here on the river, but should I have folded or raised the turn?
  • 15 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Bet more on the flop- at least 1,5
      I would probably bet on the turn, the board seems so dry, so opponent should have 6, 99 or TT.
      As played you can probably fold river, there´s nothing much that you´ll beat. If the villain is aggressive then you can shove on the turn.
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Joined: 26.01.2007 Posts: 701
      Yeah ok, didn't know much about villain at all at the time, had less than 20 hands so no stats on him.

      Edit: Would you bet/fold the turn then? And would you make your bet at least €3? Could you check behind on the turn to control the potsize a bit more since as you said, it's so dry, or is that unnecessary vs unknown?
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I think the decision mainly depends on the aggressiveness of Villain. IF he's very aggressive one may call him down. However, what hand does he have? On the Flop, I'd continue with 78, a 6, a 9 or an overpair. However, I'd never minraise a 9 on the turn and 78 arrived. We beat JJ+ on the turn and have enough equity to continue:

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      2,112 games 0.005 secs 422,400 games/sec

      Board: 6c 6h 9d Tc
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 50.947% 49.91% 01.04% 1054 22.00 { AhAs }
      Hand 1: 49.053% 48.01% 01.04% 1014 22.00 { TT+, A9s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 87o }


      The River is not a great card. I'd assume he does not shove JJ.

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      39 games 0.005 secs 7,800 games/sec

      Board: 6c 6h 9d Tc Qh
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 32.051% 30.77% 01.28% 12 0.50 { AhAs }
      Hand 1: 67.949% 66.67% 01.28% 26 0.50 { QQ+, TT, A9s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 87o }


      Given we have 32% Equity, we can call (its close, but its slightly profitable), especially if he may bluff some %.
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Ok thx Thorsten, a question though, shouldn't you add A6s as well? Since if he calls with A9s, A6s isn't that far away either, or?
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      i know this isn't entirely relevant, but shouldn't you reraise pre-flop?
    • DoigteurFou
      DoigteurFou
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      the player who reraised is all-in. You can't reraise him, he could just call. Strange rule but it's that.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      wow, that's strange. i've played at least 30k hands on ftp and never noticed that rule :)
    • slikec
      slikec
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      Joined: 04.02.2008 Posts: 1,155
      On flop i would bet 2€ thats for sure (not only 1€). You played those AA very week so fold at the end was your move i am sure. Since one player was all-in preflop you saw villian hand didn't you? So tell us what he had?
    • DoigteurFou
      DoigteurFou
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      in fact, look at what it would have done to BB if hero could reraise:

      a bet: I call the bet. Hey, why do you bet afain?
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Yeah I would've raised it up again if I could've. This is Unibet though, not FTP, so sadly they have this rule.

      @DoigterFou: Does it really matter what he had? I didn't post this because I won or lost, I posted the hand because of the situation. So the range of hands he had and how to play against that is of much more importance than the actual result imo.

      @Slikec: Hmm, I'm not entirely sure that I get your point, you said that I played them very weak and therefore showed much more weakness than I actually had, and you say that the right move would be to fold then. But if I show weakness isn't it more likely that he's going to play more aggressively with more hands than if I would've played it in a very strong way?
    • DoigteurFou
      DoigteurFou
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      I didn't ask for villain's hand, i agree completely with you on the fact that we don't care.
    • Mugge88
      Mugge88
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      Joined: 29.10.2006 Posts: 510
      @Kruppe

      It's because the AI is too small to count as a re raise. If you push for less than the minimum raise size then it counts as a call which explains why hero can't re raise again since he would be re raising his own raise :)

      Even though I made it look a little cryptical it's quite simple, hehe..

      Best regards,
      Mugge
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      @snowylee: yeah, you are right, we could also add A6s, but this shouldn't change the numbers too much as these combinations are very unlikely (given our hand and the flop)

      @Kruppe: It's a general poker rule, not specific to any site. The all-in is too small, so its not a regular raise - this means that you can't reraise.
    • snowylee
      snowylee
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      Ah sorry about that DoigterFou, my bad :) .
    • DoigteurFou
      DoigteurFou
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      no problem :)
      Play well at the tables :)