[NL2-NL10] Nl10 22 10/03

    • allen82082
      allen82082
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.06.2011 Posts: 1,682
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $7.8
      UTG1:
      $4
      UTG2:
      $13.72
      MP2:
      $11.35
      Hero:
      $4.21

      0.05/0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.106 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with 2:spade: , 2:club:
      UTG1 raises to $0.30, UTG2 calls $0.30, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.00, BB folds, UTG1 calls $0.70, UTG2 calls $0.70, MP2 calls $0.70, Hero calls $0.70.

      Flop: ($5.10) J:diamond: , 6:club: , 2:diamond: (5 players)
      SB bets $1.3, UTG1 calls $1.30, UTG2 calls $1.30, MP2 raises to $10.35 (All-In), Hero calls $3.21 (All-In), SB folds, UTG1 calls $1.70 (All-In), UTG2 calls $9.05.

      Turn: ($33.31) 7:heart:
      River: ($33.31) 3:club: (4 players)


      Final Pot: $33.31

      Obvious i call open raise call 3bet want hit set,i think the odds are acceptable.
  • 3 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Even if you get 3:1, it is still a terrible call.

      Take this board for example and see how the action runs out. You get owned by JJ/66, have a flushdraw+backdoor:


      Board: J:diamond: 6:club: 2:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    37.29%  37.29%   0.00% { 22 }
      MP3     8.90%   8.87%   0.03% { AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, KdKh, KdKs, KdKc, AJs }
      CO     53.81%  53.78%   0.03% { JJ, 66, AJs, AdKd, AdQd, AdTd }

      Random range I give people but It illustrates my point that you have a 2nd best hand most often so the AA/KK hands are leeching 9% equity from you which is huge

      Now 12% of the time you are going to hit a set but you still need significant equity to make a profit with your bottomset (or at least compensate your losses with the 88% of the time u are check/folding)

      Even worse, if you make a mistake, it is almost impossible to make a profit because the mistake yields a big loss

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • VIDOCCC
      VIDOCCC
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.06.2011 Posts: 25
      Originally posted by Gerv
      Even if you get 3:1, it is still a terrible call.

      Take this board for example and see how the action runs out. You get owned by JJ/66, have a flushdraw+backdoor:


      Board: J:diamond: 6:club: 2:diamond:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    37.29%  37.29%   0.00% { 22 }
      MP3     8.90%   8.87%   0.03% { AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, KdKh, KdKs, KdKc, AJs }
      CO     53.81%  53.78%   0.03% { JJ, 66, AJs, AdKd, AdQd, AdTd }

      Random range I give people but It illustrates my point that you have a 2nd best hand most often so the AA/KK hands are leeching 9% equity from you which is huge

      Now 12% of the time you are going to hit a set but you still need significant equity to make a profit with your bottomset (or at least compensate your losses with the 88% of the time u are check/folding)

      Even worse, if you make a mistake, it is almost impossible to make a profit because the mistake yields a big loss

      Best regards,
      Gerv
      I don't understand which call was awful the preflop one or the flop one? I think he hasn't enough implied odds to call the preflop reize, couse he has 4.5 $ (almost shortstack) , as played on the flop, I think we can give SB the range like AA KK QQ couse he 3 bet the preflop reize and then CBET against 4 player (no A high k high board) so as you said the chance that he will beat us is hardly 9%. but because 3 other player call the reize and then shove do u think that one of them has already hit the set? we have odds like 1-6.5 couse we bet 3.2$ and if we win we will win 20$
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Sorry for the confusion, I meant the preflop call


      Postflop plays itself mostly because we have topset but often when action arises, our equity is not topnotch (like TP/overpair vs our set) which means we have to relinquish more money in the pot so we can compensate less for our losses whenever we miss the flop

      We more get 4:1 max approx because of our effective stack. If our stack is $3 and his stack is $10, we cannot win more than $3