# Cowboys vs cold 4bet

• Bronze
Joined: 05.09.2010
Poker Stars \$16.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 1680114
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SB: \$38.01 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 1.3, Hands: 977
BB: \$17.36 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 9, AF: 6.0, Hands: 95
UTG: \$8.22 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 3.4, Hands: 490
UTG+1: \$15.30 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 3.3, Hands: 77
UTG+2: \$20.32 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 1.8, Hands: 1973
MP1: \$15.84 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 78
MP2: \$12.38 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 7, 3B: 3, AF: 2.5, Hands: 119
CO: \$17.20 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 12, 3B: 0, AF: 0.7, Hands: 77
[b]Hero (BTN): \$16.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 15, 3B: 3.8, AF: 3.8, Hands: 77[/B]

Pre Flop: (\$0.24) Hero is BTN with K K
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to \$0.64, 3 folds, Hero raises to \$1.92, 1 fold, BB raises to \$5, 1 fold, Hero ??

Ofc i 5b shoved and ofc he showed bullets and I sucked out on him, easy game .
But real question is do we have a profitable spot here against average micro limit regular?
Considering that half combinations of AK are missing as we are holding two kings and QQ doesn't look that good after raise and re-raise.

If we take out fold equity, we're risking 14,08 to win 7,64 in pot + his 11 behind + our 14,08 = 32,72
So odds are 2,32:1 or 43%. If we add rake (NL16, Pokerstars 4,50% / 2)
45,25% equity is needed to break even.

If villain stack off with 7/8 AK combos:

Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    45.67%  41.94%   3.73% { KdKh }

If villain stack off with just 2/8 AKs combos:

Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    32.23%  26.67%   5.56% { KdKh }
MP3    67.77%  62.21%   5.56% { AA, KsKc, AsKs, AcKc }

In general, I'm staking off w/ KK all day long and I'm aware that some of our profit comes from collecting dead money pre flop. But I feel like I'm running into Aces too often in this spot...

What do you people think about all this? Is there any other line, maybe flatting pre? Or how to estimate fold equity and make some calculations.
• 2 replies
• Bronze
Joined: 16.02.2009
have the same question also
• Black
Joined: 27.11.2008
This question is purely about whether villain can have anything other than AA so your preflop equity calculations are pretty pointless.

And this boils down to...