Should i treat call as folds

    • Resilence
      Resilence
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      Joined: 10.03.2012 Posts: 934
      As the tittle says, I oftent see ppl call all the way around the table, which makes me belive they don't really have a stong hand or just want to see what on the flop.
      I'm guessing it's up to my self to judge whether i see the player as a calling station or not?
      (I've treated them as fold a bit to many times i think.)

      This is the low end NL2 i'm guessing it changes a bit when i begin to play with more money.

      And after analyzing some of my hands with pokerstratgey.com elephant, it seems to me i'm still playing way to loose. (if i read it correctly)
      Is it really that hard to play tight. And how tight should i play before i becoming a rock?
      (The analyzis is still a bit off as I've played a few hundred hands, so I guess theres room for improvement.)

      Usually i'm a bit scared off not being aggressive enough on the showdown. Not a problem on the preflop. Proberly also because I lost in a seesion with a pair of Jo, to two queens. Hurt my finances alot :P

      And sorry if this has already been discussed, did do a search on the forum, but couldn't really find anything, might have been the wrong terms not sure. Pls no flaming :)
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    • gadget51
      gadget51
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      Joined: 23.06.2008 Posts: 5,622
      Hi Resilence, how are you doing today?

      First things first; we don't flame people for asking questions the answer to which will [hopefully] help them improve their game.

      Next, when people just call, the term is 'limpers.' Limpers just call the minimum big blind amount and don't raise. You can't treat limps as folds because they haven't folded, they'e in the pot! :) But you are right, they mostly don't have a strongg hand, but be watchful because some very tight players will limp very big hands to trap people. Take notes on who does this.

      The easiest way to spot a calling station is to look at their Voluntary Put money In the Pot (VPIP%), PreFlop Raise (PFR%) and Went to ShowDown (WSD%) numbers in the elephant Heads UP display (HUD). Calling stations will have a high VPIP and a low PFR, i.e. they call preflop and don't raise often. The gap then between their VPIP and PFR will be large; for example VPIP 65 PFR 4 They may often not like to fold postflop either and so their WSD % will also often be higher than usual. You will notice these people very quickly

      For a lot more information on your game type and how to play a winning game (especially if you think you're too loose :f_biggrin: ) see the link 'Questions?' at the bottom of this post, or click:

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      I hope this has helped somewhat and that you use the links to get a lot more help than I can supply. You will not regret it I assure you!

      Very best regards and have fun,

      Mal.
    • ThatGuyMatt
      ThatGuyMatt
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      Joined: 03.12.2010 Posts: 3,758
      Hey Resilence !

      Are you know dominating the tables with Mals awesome advice?

      I see you've joined the Beginners course too, how are you enjoying it? :]
    • Castle93
      Castle93
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      Joined: 06.06.2011 Posts: 1,452
      If your playing NL2 id go by the book on this one, play a very strict TAG style, this means say your in the CO with a good hand yu want to raise with and 4 people have limped in, i would raise 4BB+1 for each limper, so here you could raise to 8x, maybe 6x if you think this is too much.

      As above said, if you use elephant or a free trail for software look at your VPP/PRF, for FR around 16 VPP what yu should be aiming, i play at around 13, with a PRF of around 11. But there nothing wrong with limping in as well with low PPs and SCs.
    • Resilence
      Resilence
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      Joined: 10.03.2012 Posts: 934
      Haha you guys really make me feel welcome, it's a really nice place to be so far, and yes it was a good advice from Mal.
      I'm still making mistakes, and I've had issues with my poker HUD can't get it to show while playing, havn't played after I installed latest elephant update, so maybe it works now, dunno.
      But owning ppl at the tables, nah, hardly :P but it seems to go ok, which is what I would expect, actually better than I expected before i started with the theory etc. it might be pure luck, however I think it's because of what I've learned so far, atleast I hope that.
      I did see a troll posting something about one of the casino's being rigged, favoring newcommers, hope it isn't true. I doubt it is. But it still got me thinking about it.

      Yes I've started the beginners course, have been slacking a bit the past couple of days. Had to be a family guy, plus I seemed to have caught a flu, but i'm getting better now, so back to poker studying. My new best hobby :D

      I'll think of your advice Castle93, seems to make sense, atleast in the way of becomming the aggressive player I want to be, or hope to be :P I'm still to soft tbh. :)