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Limp, min-raise and min re-raise SH

    • LeStegeRoyal
      LeStegeRoyal
      Basic
      Joined: 28.02.2008 Posts: 21
      Should I use any of these moves in my playbook and if that is the case when?
      The limp and the min-raise I personally see no use whatsoever for but I guess min re-raise could be implementable. Just don't know when :rolleyes:
  • 11 replies
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      NO, NO AND NO
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      seriously, don't
    • LeStegeRoyal
      LeStegeRoyal
      Basic
      Joined: 28.02.2008 Posts: 21
      Min re-raise postflop ofcourse. pre is a big nono.
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      Originally posted by swissmoumout
      seriously, don't
      posted by SWISSHEEP

      do small stakes count?


      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)    
      CO (102.06)
      Hero (107.53)

      0.50/1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 3
      MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.00, CO calls $1.00, 2 folds, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($3.50) A, 2, Q (3 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

      Turn: ($3.50) 5 (3 players)
      Hero bets $3, MP3 calls $3.00, CO raises to $6.00, Hero raises to $9.00, MP3 folds, CO raises to $12.00, Hero raises to $15.00, CO raises to $18.00, Hero raises to $21.00, CO raises to $24.00, Hero raises to $27.00, CO raises to $30.00, Hero raises to $33.00, CO calls $3.00.

      River: ($72.50) 8 (2 players)
      Hero bets $70, CO raises to $68.06 (All-In).

      Final Pot: $210.56

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      CO shows [ Ad, 2c ] two pairs, Aces and Twos
      Hero shows [ 4h, 3h ] a straight Ace to Five
      Hero wins $1.94 USD with a straight, Ace to Five.
      Hero wins $205.62 USD with a straight, Ace to Five.

      HMM?

      i'd probably find a spot where it's a viable play in 1/20000 hands. the above isn't one of them, btw.
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      STOP STALKING ME ON 2+2

      That was for fun -.-
    • LeStegeRoyal
      LeStegeRoyal
      Basic
      Joined: 28.02.2008 Posts: 21
      Watched a couple of videos from a site that I won't mention :rolleyes: .
      All of their coaches seem to implement the min-raise post-flop quite regularly, partly with strong hands to induce raises when playing against aggresive players and also with semi-weak holdings to get information and for balansing. Mostly on dangerous boards.

      And NO above is not one of them :] , nice result though
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      I do "click it back" (min raise a min-raise), but only when I have a good read on my opponent. Usually it's better to just shove though
    • srohack
      srohack
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      hmmm ... i have seen a very good high stakes player experimenting min raises and he had a lot of succes but i wouldnt incorporate them into my arsenal .
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      Originally posted by srohack
      hmmm ... i have seen a very good high stakes player experimenting min raises and he had a lot of succes but i wouldnt incorporate them into my arsenal .
      the reason is more for metagame and deception. both of these are entirely not necessary at the low limits.
    • srohack
      srohack
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      it can show some advantadges but when you use it you have to balance it very well in order to make it profitable . on the spot it will create you an idiot image and after 2 or 3 minraises people might stack light against you .
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      It all depends on the limit you play and on the opponent when thinking about such plays. I would suggest to never do such plays, except the minraise postflop, on low limits. On limits above NL200 it might make sense to implement such plays.
      for the low limts: just forget, that such plays are possible :D

      best regards,
      TribunCaesar