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[NL2-NL10] NL5 KK 4bet pot oop

    • Phgrinder
      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 1,007
      shove pre better? 3bet flop better?

      villain is 37/19/9 VPIP/PFR/3bet over 52 hands

      Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from

      UTG ($10.06)
      MP ($4.13)
      CO ($6.46)
      Button ($12.50)
      SB ($2.84)
      Hero (BB) ($5.61)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K
      2 folds, CO bets $0.20, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.47, CO raises $0.95, Hero calls $0.63

      Flop: ($2.32) Q, J, J (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1.66, Hero calls $1.66

      Turn: ($5.64) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $3.65 (All-In), Hero ???

      Total pot: $5.64
  • 4 replies
    • DrDunne
      Joined: 29.12.2010 Posts: 3,378
      smells like he has at least 1 Q in his hand if not 2. maybe AA but thats just cooler. definitely go all in pre - avoid sticky situations post flop and all that..
    • MonkySandwich
      Joined: 18.02.2012 Posts: 156
      hi dwyt84,

      I'm not a star but I think I can help a bit.

      As first what is your image?

      Villain seems pretty aggro so far, so I would expect that he is not looking to fold to a 3bet re-steal from the BB. So I would 3bet him PF bigger, someting like 4x to $0.80. When he 4bets, I think I would push there. I think villains with such stats are calling often enough with 99+, AJ+. Cooler when he shows aces. And shoving PF also prevent you to get in those tough spots.

      What is you plan OTF?
      There are a lot of hands that you don't want to see OTT: Aces, tens, nines, spandes (alltough it gives you a draw to the 2nd nut flush) that are 18 cards you don't really want to see OTT

      Let's say his 4b range is something like 6-7% or 99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+.
      If he cbets them all, I think I would push here. To this range you're 60% favourite.
      If he calls you OTF with only JJ+,AQs-AJs,AQo-AJo you're a 40% dog, but you get like $4.40 to $10.60 on your money. So you only need a 30% equity to BE.
      Since youre equity is >30% and he will fold some of his range, a push OTF would show profit.

      Even if his 4b range is smaller, like 3% or JJ+,AKs,AKo, yout are still a 38% dog, enough to push it OTF.

      I hope it helps you a bit.
      I'm courious what other people think.
    • DannyG13
      Joined: 28.10.2009 Posts: 1,160
      5bet every time. Calling a 4bet out of position is just going to get you in needless tricky post flop situations that could have been avoided with a 5bet.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello dwyt84,

      We definitely have to 5bet it preflop and get it in. :) No need to flat like that. Neither doesn't make sense to Call the flop and then give up while you practically committed vs his whole range.

      Best Regards.