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[NL2-NL10] fold or not fold?

    • zumpar
      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 1,185
      top 2 pair draw heavy board vs multiple opponents
      ... re-raised the flop, wanted all draws to fold, got 3-bet from SB.... Whats the best play here? shove or fold? He could easily have a set here..
      SB: 14/4/0.0/1.2 (but just over 49 hands)

      Everest, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $2.50 (125 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $3.04 (152 bb)
      SB: $4.40 (220 bb)
      BB: $1.39 (69.5 bb)
      UTG: $1.20 (60 bb)
      MP: $1.38 (69 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 6
      UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, SB completes, BB checks

      Flop: ($0.12) 7 3 6 (6 players)
      SB bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.72, SB raises to $2.52, BB folds, UTG calls $1.06 and is all-in, Hero raises to $3.02 and is all-in, SB calls $0.50

      Turn: ($7.46) 7 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($7.46) 3 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results: $7.46 pot ($0.48 rake)
      Final Board: 7 3 6 7 3
      CO mucked and lost (-$0.02 net)
      Hero showed 7 6 and won $6.98 ($3.94 net)
      SB showed 8 8 and lost (-$3.04 net)
      BB mucked and lost (-$0.14 net)
      UTG showed 5 T and lost (-$1.20 net)
      MP mucked and lost (-$0.02 net)
  • 4 replies
    • RainbowPonny
      Joined: 19.10.2010 Posts: 563
      You got it in good and won, NH.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello zumpar,

      If you raise in those spots there is obviously nothing much to do than go broke. I might even take pot control and reevaluate it on the turn rather than play for the stacks. 54 makes already a straight and of course sets are possible. Plus we are deep with SB. ;)

      Best Regards.
    • zumpar
      Joined: 05.02.2012 Posts: 1,185
      hey veriz,

      but if i but if i just flat the flop (along with 3 other people),

      any 3,4,5,8,9,T,A, and a :club:

      is a very bad card for me.... there are just so many draws and so many players, i cant really like almost any card except of 6 and a 7. I mean, if i choose the passive line on the flop and dont hit my 4-outer for a FH, i can pretty much fold to a big bet on the turn, cause there are just so so many cards that could hurt me. and if a blank comes, like a Q :heart: , u still cant really raise the turn for value there, right?

      pretty much only J,Q,K are blanks at this point and those cant be of :club: 's.

      isnt raising a better option there? You force all draws out, and if someone shoves ur either ahead against some TPTK/overpair/combo draw or far behind against 33/45.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      So? I would then just give up if a FD completes or another draw. There is no way I am playing for the stacks with just 2pairs in such a board where straight/sets even possible. What do you think they are going broke?

      With raising you are isolating yourself against strong holdings and forcing worse out as you said yourself. :)