nl50/nl25fr (standard and ZOOM)

    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Hi, I got the money from everyone so I will start today (don't think there is any reason to wait.







      Got 1750 from invesrtors so starting point is 1770.
      Hands 0/100000. I will update every 3-4 days or so (don't want to look into cashier to often however just pm on skype if you want ot be up do date and I will do it instantly)
  • 40 replies
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Will post first update. Basically after first day I am 100% sure I will play almost exclusively ZOOM so our staking deal should take way less time I hope.
      Simply at this point ZOOM games are way more juicy, it looks like all fish move there. Started really poorly but slowly it seems that I am getting better. Got a ton of vids to atch and playing my aggro-donkish style semms working.
      Graph for today:


      As soon as P* will stop fuckin me that bad EV wise it should be fine.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Decided to play one more session. Overall don't run bad jsut EV wise it doesn't work yet.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      No money in ZOOM everyone solid


      Playing solid ABC Poker:

      1)Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      BTN: $152.60 (305.2 bb)
      SB: $83.92 (167.8 bb)
      BB: $96.84 (193.7 bb)
      UTG+1: $118.29 (236.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $52.46 (104.9 bb)
      MP1: $21.48 (43 bb)
      MP2: $50 (100 bb)
      Hero (MP3): $70.06 (140.1 bb)
      CO: $70 (140 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9:diamond: A:club:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

      Flop: ($3.50) J:spade: 5:spade: 4:spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.75, SB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $11, SB calls $6.50

      Turn: ($25.50) 3:diamond: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16

      River: ($57.50) 6:heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $41.56 and is all-in, SB folds

      Results: $57.50 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: J:spade: 5:spade: 4:spade: 3:diamond: 6:heart:
      SB mucked and lost (-$28.50 net)
      Hero mucked 9:diamond: A:club: and won $55 ($26.50 net)


      2) Russian nits believe me in a hand:

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      BTN: $51.90 (103.8 bb)
      SB: $56.87 (113.7 bb)
      BB: $46.81 (93.6 bb)
      UTG+1: $29.43 (58.9 bb)
      UTG+2: $120.23 (240.5 bb)
      Hero (MP1): $117.15 (234.3 bb)
      MP2: $37.94 (75.9 bb)
      MP3: $50.25 (100.5 bb)
      CO: $64.34 (128.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A:heart: K:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $11, BTN calls $6.50

      Flop: ($22.75) 2:club: 5:spade: A:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $16, Hero raises to $96.50, BTN calls $24.90 and is all-in

      Turn: ($104.55) K:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($104.55) 8:diamond: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $104.55 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 2:club: 5:spade: A:club: K:club: 8:diamond:
      BTN showed J:heart: J:spade: and lost (-$51.90 net)
      Hero showed A:heart: K:diamond: and won $102.05 ($50.15 net)

      Pretty much nothing interesting. Hopefully will be able to grind more soon. The problem is that I love ZOOM but still play on Microgaming (with my own money).
      Hopefully I will be able to achieve at least 7bb on nl50+ on ZOOM in the long run.
    • mazaq
      mazaq
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.02.2007 Posts: 30,137
      nice start imo :f_confused:
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439


      So far luck wasn't really on my side, additionally some mistakes. Hopefully I will run better EV wise.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439


      I am taking a break couple of days from Pokerstars cause it is just too much. Got crushed in any retarded way possible lost 10BI in 2k hands, sure there was also bad play but it is ridiculous
      Every bluff gets called every strong hands loose at least on the river. At this point I just play badly and tilt like crazy doing 3 barells vs people that don't fold. Going back to Microgaming sh games for a while where I have rakeback at least.

      ( ) I can win at poker
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      To be honest I tilted badly. Being like 30+BI below EV in like less than 100k hands push me really hard. At this point I play badly. Need to find a solution.
      In reality I could save like 4BI at least so either I have to sort it out or quit playing on pokerstars. Cause at this point it is just too much.
      +I got disconnected while playing from P* lost like half buy-in when having trips. Graph doesn't show it.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
    • Demiurg12
      Demiurg12
      Gold
      Joined: 07.07.2010 Posts: 6,289
      play normal 10-16 tables ,

      zoom sux
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Originally posted by Demiurg12
      play normal 10-16 tables ,

      zoom sux
      Yeah but I don't want it to take like 2 months or so. I am stubborn and I will be winning on ZOOM. It is just a matter of time.
      If I want to play standard tables I would play elswhere cause P* fr games sucks when you compare them to other sites.
    • Demiurg12
      Demiurg12
      Gold
      Joined: 07.07.2010 Posts: 6,289
      its better to play 2 - milion months but with profit or maybe good profit , than to be break even better for u and us
    • phantommm92
      phantommm92
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.05.2010 Posts: 1,464
      i don't have a problem with him playing zoom, i heard there are a ton of fish there right now, so choose what you want imo.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Nah at this point I am seriously pissed. One thing I know is I won't be playing on P* after the deal is over. It is just enough.
      Hands from today session:

      1)
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      SB: $28.22 (56.4 bb)
      BB: $42.78 (85.6 bb)
      Hero (UTG+1): $80.38 (160.8 bb)
      UTG+2: $78.24 (156.5 bb)
      MP1: $27.64 (55.3 bb)
      MP2: $22.21 (44.4 bb)
      MP3: $22.73 (45.5 bb)
      CO: $70.46 (140.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A:spade: A:club:
      Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3.25, BB folds, Hero raises to $9, CO calls $5.50, SB calls $5.50

      Flop: ($27.50) Q:heart: J:club: 3:diamond: (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $15.76, CO calls $15.76, SB folds

      Turn: ($59.02) T:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $45.70, Hero calls $45.70

      River: ($150.42) Q:club: (2 players)

      Results: $150.42 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: Q:heart: J:club: 3:diamond: T:club: Q:club:
      Hero showed A:spade: A:club: and lost (-$70.46 net)
      CO showed T:heart: T:diamond: and won $147.92 ($77.46 net)

      2)

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BTN): $50 (100 bb)
      SB: $67.23 (134.5 bb)
      BB: $25 (50 bb)
      UTG+1: $87.05 (174.1 bb)
      UTG+2: $117.60 (235.2 bb)
      MP1: $60.24 (120.5 bb)
      MP2: $25.75 (51.5 bb)
      MP3: $23.25 (46.5 bb)
      CO: $50 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A:club: A:heart:
      5 folds, CO raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, CO raises to $7.50, Hero calls $3

      Flop: ($15.75) 8:heart: 6:spade: 6:club: (2 players)
      CO bets $8.25, Hero calls $8.25

      Turn: ($32.25) 2:club: (2 players)
      CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

      River: ($52.25) Q:diamond: (2 players)
      CO bets $24.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $24.25 and is all-in

      Results: $100.75 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 8:heart: 6:spade: 6:club: 2:club: Q:diamond:
      Hero showed A:club: A:heart: and lost (-$50 net)
      CO showed 2:heart: 2:spade: and won $98.25 ($48.25 net)


      I can't win vs regs I can't win vs fish. I can't win anything anywhere.


      It doesn't matter if I play standard tabels or ZOOm Pokerstars fuck me anyway.
      You are getting 100% rakeback so it isn't like that you won't make a profit.
      At this point I can't do anything if I run so lolbadly.
      So the problem isn't that you won't make a proft the problem is that I won't.
      At this point the only reason I still play on pokerstars is given our deal and I don't want to break it.
      After I play that 100k hands I am done with this site for a very long time.
      At some point it stopped being funny. I am just constantly loosing every retarded pot ,just nothing works and I can't do anything about that.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439


      1)
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      BTN: $210.55 (421.1 bb)
      SB: $53.25 (106.5 bb)
      BB: $49.75 (99.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $54.14 (108.3 bb)
      UTG+2: $83.54 (167.1 bb)
      MP1: $50 (100 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $66.19 (132.4 bb)
      MP3: $50.92 (101.8 bb)
      CO: $18.68 (37.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J:diamond: Q:diamond:
      3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

      Flop: ($9.75) 8:heart: 3:heart: Q:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

      Turn: ($19.75) J:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $13.20, Hero calls $13.20

      River: ($46.15) 2:spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $44.07, Hero calls $43.49 and is all-in

      Results: $133.13 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 8:heart: 3:heart: Q:spade: J:club: 2:spade:
      BTN showed J:spade: J:heart: and won $130.63 ($64.44 net)
      Hero showed J:diamond: Q:diamond: and lost (-$66.19 net)


      2)

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (BTN): $50.50 (101 bb)
      SB: $58.79 (117.6 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG+1: $49.26 (98.5 bb)
      UTG+2: $71.07 (142.1 bb)
      MP1: $31.06 (62.1 bb)
      MP2: $44.22 (88.4 bb)
      MP3: $25.85 (51.7 bb)
      CO: $71.36 (142.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A:club: 4:heart:
      6 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.75

      Flop: ($2.75) 4:club: A:spade: T:heart: (2 players)
      BB bets $2.63, Hero raises to $7, BB raises to $11.37, Hero calls $4.37

      Turn: ($25.49) 8:club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB raises to $37.38 and is all-in, Hero calls $23.38

      River: ($100.25) J:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results: $100.25 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 4:club: A:spade: T:heart: 8:club: J:club:
      Hero showed A:club: 4:heart: and lost (-$50 net)
      BB showed T:spade: A:heart: and won $97.75 ($47.75 net)


      I played like 1/3 doing my best. There is still like 2/3 left. Hopefully it will not take to long so I will be able to finally uninstall Pokerstars. (maybe will send them also e-mail about what I think about them and their rigged site)
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439


      Hopefully I will end this staking deal till the end of the month so I will be able to uninstall this rigged soft.
      Just from todays session:
      1)
      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      BTN: $71.94 (143.9 bb)
      SB: $29.97 (59.9 bb)
      BB: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG+1: $50 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: $46.38 (92.8 bb)
      MP1: $50.25 (100.5 bb)
      MP2: $23.50 (47 bb)
      Hero (MP3): $78.22 (156.4 bb)
      CO: $65.30 (130.6 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:diamond: Q:club:
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 4 folds, MP1 calls $3

      Flop: ($9.75) Q:spade: T:spade: 2:diamond: (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $5.59, MP1 calls $5.59

      Turn: ($20.93) 9:spade: (2 players)
      MP1 checks, Hero bets $13.99, MP1 calls $13.99

      River: ($48.91) K:heart: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $26.17 and is all-in, Hero calls $26.17

      Results: $101.25 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: Q:spade: T:spade: 2:diamond: 9:spade: K:heart:
      MP1 showed J:heart: J:diamond: and won $98.75 ($48.50 net)
      Hero showed Q:diamond: Q:club: and lost (-$50.25 net)

      2)

      Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Hero (BTN): $50.75 (101.5 bb)
      SB: $50 (100 bb)
      BB: $91.20 (182.4 bb)
      UTG+1: $25 (50 bb)
      UTG+2: $50 (100 bb)
      MP1: $45.05 (90.1 bb)
      MP2: $73.65 (147.3 bb)
      MP3: $85.78 (171.6 bb)
      CO: $17.72 (35.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with T:spade: T:club:
      6 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $4, BB calls $3.50, Hero calls $2.75

      Flop: ($12) 8:heart: T:diamond: A:club: (3 players)
      SB bets $6.50, BB folds, Hero calls $6.50

      Turn: ($25) Q:club: (2 players)
      SB bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

      River: ($46) 3:diamond: (2 players)
      SB bets $29 and is all-in, Hero calls $29

      Results: $104 pot ($2.50 rake)
      Final Board: 8:heart: T:diamond: A:club: Q:club: 3:diamond:
      Hero showed T:spade: T:club: and lost (-$50 net)
      SB showed J:spade: 9:spade: and won $101.50 ($51.50 net)

      Seriously how I am supposed to be winning if I get spots like that ?( I mean WTF is this shit
    • T3rMiT3
      T3rMiT3
      Silver
      Joined: 29.02.2008 Posts: 3,328
      Originally posted by franeczek
      To be honest I tilted badly. Being like 30+BI below EV in like less than 100k hands push me really hard. At this point I play badly. Need to find a solution.
      In reality I could save like 4BI at least so either I have to sort it out or quit playing on pokerstars. Cause at this point it is just too much.
      +I got disconnected while playing from P* lost like half buy-in when having trips. Graph doesn't show it.
      stop loocking at EV man. I don't undestand you guys. Who cares if you are under EV or above it? everyone is interested in making profit on long term. Whatching the EV when you are under it , it's obvios makeing you feel bad, or even wors, it tilts you.

      focus on your game and not on your graph. is this so hard to accomplish.

      good luck!

      ps: you are bluffing to much from what i can see. Showdown is horrible.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,908
      Originally posted by T3rMiT3

      ps: you are bluffing to much from what i can see. Showdown is horrible.
      Showdown is fine, he is losing ALL INs (see AI EV).

      If it counts for something: been there, done the whole 30BI <EV thing, it's not rigged, turns out it happens more way more often than a one outter on the flop, get used to it. It hurts, but there's nothing you can do except grind through it.
    • franeczek
      franeczek
      Global
      Joined: 22.03.2009 Posts: 2,439
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Originally posted by T3rMiT3

      ps: you are bluffing to much from what i can see. Showdown is horrible.
      Showdown is fine, he is losing ALL INs (see AI EV).

      If it counts for something: been there, done the whole 30BI <EV thing, it's not rigged, turns out it happens more way more often than a one outter on the flop, get used to it. It hurts, but there's nothing you can do except grind through it.
      Guys I don't care about Ev line all that much. Just it isn't whole picture. I have never been running so badly in my life. Had worse short term downswings but you know the feeling when you just can't win.
      Loosing with set,flushes,straights but not the other way around. So Regfish cooler me a ton but I don't cooler them.
      Even my Ev line at this point is like ~6bb/100 which is ridiculously low.
      Besides staking I still play on other sites for my own money and I am just winning a ton. Only P* fuck me like that rewarding TAGfish over and over again.

      It has been 2 months and I just don't want to play there anymore. Seriously I feel badly even when I open their rigged lobby.
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,908
      Originally posted by franeczek
      Originally posted by EmanuelC16
      Originally posted by T3rMiT3

      ps: you are bluffing to much from what i can see. Showdown is horrible.
      Showdown is fine, he is losing ALL INs (see AI EV).

      If it counts for something: been there, done the whole 30BI <EV thing, it's not rigged, turns out it happens more way more often than a one outter on the flop, get used to it. It hurts, but there's nothing you can do except grind through it.
      Guys I don't care about Ev line all that much. Just it isn't whole picture. I have never been running so badly in my life. Had worse short term downswings but you know the feeling when you just can't win.
      Loosing with set,flushes,straights but not the other way around. So Regfish cooler me a ton but I don't cooler them.
      Even my Ev line at this point is like ~6bb/100 which is ridiculously low.
      Besides staking I still play on other sites for my own money and I am just winning a ton. Only P* fuck me like that rewarding TAGfish over and over again.

      It has been 2 months and I just don't want to play there anymore. Seriously I feel badly even when I open their rigged lobby.
      LOL! Now you're just ridiculous. Doesn't matter what site you play on. Doesn't matter how long or short your sessions are. In the end, it is all one big session. If you look at results by site you'll always be able to find something rotten with one because it doesn't show you as big of a winner as the other. Combine results from all sites to get a clear picture of how you are doing.

      @Bold part: Exactly! That's why you have no idea how to deal with it. Like I've said: been there, understand how you feel, nothing you can do, move on. When I had my worst run I've played over 3 different sites to get good RB from FDB but the results were the same. Oh, and if it makes you feel better, if you continue playing and put in more volume, you'll have worse runs. :f_biggrin: