PokerStars Roundtable 2012-03-28

    • LeeJonesPokerStars
      LeeJonesPokerStars
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      Joined: 11.02.2012 Posts: 27
      Hi folks –

      As promised, I'm back with/for more.

      [W]hen will you release [Zoom, I assume] PLO200 and NL400?
      For those keeping score at home, we've got
      • Zoom NLH at $.02, $.05, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;
      • Zoom PLO at $.02, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;


      I think we can say that we're past the crawling stage with Zoom now; you folks have done a great job of stress testing the software. But as we go up in stakes, we also have to consider liquidity, both in the Zoom and "traditional" environments. We'll open up higher stakes Zoom pools when we think they'll be healthy without harming the trad games.

      Regarding LHE for Zoom, it's there (in theory, we could offer Zoom for any of our games), but again, we will offer it if we think it will be healthy as Zoom, but without meaningfully harming the traditional LHE games.

      Lee, will you guys add Deal It Twice (without additional rake) in the near future?
      We'd all love to have the run-it-twice. However, we don't think it would have the effect on players coming in (or staying) that other big features have, so it's never made it to the top of the development list. But yes, all the poker players inside PokerStars think it would be cool and we know that many of you would like to have it. We will keep it on the list and you keep reminding us how much you want it :p. I will tell you this: no run-it-twice feature developed and overseen by the current management would ever charge extra rake.


      [QUOTE]I personally feel like bots are the [number one threat] to the future of online poker. Do you agree?

      You've been the best site combatting bots. One of your sollutions is to make you type a word within 30seconds, o how there is someone behind the computer. I've had this feature twice in over a million hands last year. I feel like this test should be way more frequent, and it should be tested in multiple variations. Can you tell us something on the work of pokerstars on combatting botting? [/quote]I don't think they're the number one threat, but they are definitely a concern. We're proud of our status as most aggressive anti-bot site in the business and intend to continue that. As regards the "Captchas" ("Please type in this series of squiggly letters"), they are just the tip of the iceberg of bot-detection. We have all kinds of techniques. One set of tools is designed to defeat bots (make it difficult/impossible for them to work). The other set of tools detects bots (whereupon we bust their masters). But for pretty obvious reasons, we don't discuss the details of how those tools work.

      [snip] I think it's important not to push players one way or the other long term, but targeted "specials" on certain items are not going to do that imo and may help retain customers that find a Stars product that they really like and wouldn't have found otherwise, converting them into long term depositors. [snip]

      I also agree that it's better to promote your product rather than to promote an arbitrary event with a lottery.


      These are good points. I spoke to our chief promotions guy about this and guess what - he agrees with you. He is already working on some promotions that are designed to expand players' horizons. For instance, we ran a PLO week on .FR (more of that, says I). Our promotions guy tells me that he's working on a system that will allow us nudge people from point A to point B in the client (e.g. "People who are playing No-Limit Hold'em also enjoy playing <link>PLO</link>." We're not there yet, but a senior guy in the promotions department is on the same page as you. Keep those cards and letters coming - it helps him sell his case.

      [What happened to the...] 235FPP satellites to Sunday Storm ($11 buy in). I heard they'd be re-introduced after the Micro Millions series. Hopefully anyway, can that be confirmed or denied?
      They're baaaaaaack! :P

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      I'll take questions and try to answer them in semi-real time for the next day or three. And then another two-week hiatus. Thanks to everybody for your participation and ideas.

      Best regards,
      Lee Jones
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    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
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      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      Originally posted by LeeJonesPokerStars
      For those keeping score at home, we've got
      • Zoom NLH at $.02, $.05, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;
      • Zoom PLO at $.02, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;

      ♪ One of these things is not like the other ... ♪

      Are we going to get PLO5? Even better would be to make the $.02 game allow 250bb buyins like the non-Zoom PLO games.
    • fruktpuff
      fruktpuff
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      Joined: 24.09.2010 Posts: 3,982
      Originally posted by tokyoaces
      Originally posted by LeeJonesPokerStars
      For those keeping score at home, we've got
      • Zoom NLH at $.02, $.05, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;
      • Zoom PLO at $.02, $.10, $.25, $.50, and $1 BBs;

      ♪ One of these things is not like the other ... ♪

      Are we going to get PLO5? Even better would be to make the $.02 game allow 250bb buyins like the non-Zoom PLO games.
      Isn't that only for the Deep tables with antes, though? Rather than being the standard..
    • LeeJonesPokerStars
      LeeJonesPokerStars
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      Joined: 11.02.2012 Posts: 27
      Originally posted by tokyoaces


      ♪ One of these things is not like the other ... ♪

      Are we going to get PLO5? Even better would be to make the $.02 game allow 250bb buyins like the non-Zoom PLO games.
      I think they chose to skip over $.05 BB PLO for liquidity reasons. I don't understand why, but not as many people play PLO as NLHE. We want to make sure that the PLO pools are nice and deep and keep the games moving.

      Best regards,
      Lee Jones
    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
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      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      Originally posted by fruktpuff
      Isn't that only for the Deep tables with antes, though? Rather than being the standard..
      All NL2 and PL2 tables are 250bb at Stars for both Holdem and Omaha. Above that everything is 100bb until you get to the deep tables.
    • fruktpuff
      fruktpuff
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      Joined: 24.09.2010 Posts: 3,982
      Originally posted by tokyoaces
      Originally posted by fruktpuff
      Isn't that only for the Deep tables with antes, though? Rather than being the standard..
      All NL2 and PL2 tables are 250bb at Stars for both Holdem and Omaha. Above that everything is 100bb until you get to the deep tables.
      Ah, I hadn't realized, never having played lower than NLHE/PLO10 on Stars.

      In that case the request makes a lot more sense for sure.
    • LeeJonesPokerStars
      LeeJonesPokerStars
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      Joined: 11.02.2012 Posts: 27
      Hi folks -
      Just checking in to say hi. As you're all certainly aware, we've really increased the number of pools in Zoom, including $.10/$.20 5-card draw!

      I'll have a regular update soon; feel free to drop off any questions you'd like answered.

      Regards,
      Lee Jones
    • TwiceT
      TwiceT
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      Joined: 15.07.2007 Posts: 4,796
      Hey Lee :)

      I couldn't say goodbye yesterday as the party action took over control at a point and I didn't see you later.

      Was nice talking to you at the dinner, I hope you had a good time in London. Let me know in case you come to THE poker hotspot in Europe - Vienna - in the future, I can show you around and introduce you to our cardrooms & casinos.


      Great to see you around the forums to answer some of our questions or just to keep us updated on any news regarding PokerStars.

      All the best,
      Thomas
    • LeeJonesPokerStars
      LeeJonesPokerStars
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      Joined: 11.02.2012 Posts: 27
      Originally posted by TwiceT

      I couldn't say goodbye yesterday as the party action took over control at a point and I didn't see you later.

      Hey Thomas (and all participants at the London party) -
      Thank you so much for the warm welcome and discussion. I really enjoyed getting to meet folks and talk poker (and life) with you.

      I do have some quick updates for you:

      Q: What about automated deal software for the final table of MTTs?

      A:
      This has actually been discussed for years (including my first tenure at PokerStars). For various reasons, we chose not to do it, but I think there's a critical mass of support forming (both externally and internally). As I told somebody at the party, no promises, but I think we've got a decent chance of getting it in in the foreseeable future.

      Q: What's the status of your battle with Poker Table Ratings (PTR)?

      A:
      We've gone to considerable effort to track down the companies and individuals associated with PTR. Ultimately, we sent "Cease and Desist" letters to the people and companies behind the site. We have told them that they must immediately cease infringing our intellectual property rights and breaching the terms and conditions of our software. This is not an idle threat; we've assembled a team of lawyers in multiple jurisdictions to follow up.

      Obviously some of you are frustrated at how long it's taken us to act, but the people behind PTR have taken considerable steps to hide their activity and shield themselves from action. But we are on their trail now and will keep at it. We'll keep you informed as we make progress.

      Q: So, those are legal steps, great. Are you not taking technical steps against them?

      A:
      Yes, we are, and we will be taking more. I'm still finding out exactly what I can say and what I can't, but this is a personal hot button of mine and I assure you I will stay on top of it.

      Q: Is it true that your house is rigged?

      A:
      Apparently so. We had the IoM visitors and a bunch of PokerStars staffers over to my house for a poker game on Friday night. The first game that started was a 10p/20p NLH game.

      First hand, a PokerStars employee, (hereinafter "C") opens to 60p. Gets one caller, then visitor "S", in the SB, squeezes to £2. "C" thinks briefly and says "I'm all in" (for a full stack - £20). Cold-caller bails and it's back to "S". He hems and haws, verifies that "C" has him covered, and calls. "C" promptly turns over aces. Board runs out blanks, "S" still hasn't revealed. Finally he shrugs and turns over pocket kings.

      Much hooting and hollering ensues. I feel so bad I rebuy for him (fortunately he started with a half stack so it only cost me a tenner). [1]

      One final note: I'm going to be at the Monte Carlo EPT at the beginning of the week (tentatively April 22-25). If you're there, please find me and say hi.

      As always, keep the cards and letters coming.

      Oh, and finally - a huge :heart: to Ingrid for the invitation to the party and for rescuing me from a clueless host who didn't even know the PokerStrategy party was going on in his establishment. She obviously worked like a dog to make the event a success and I think it showed.

      Warmest regards,
      Lee Jones

      [1] I got the tenner back with interest when I made a 4-card six on the first draw against ShaunDeeb in PL Badugi. Of course, I misplayed the hand because I "cleverly" smooth called his bet. He drew one, I stood pat, and he check-folded to my bet. He and Adanthar were quick to point out I could have stacked him because he was never bet/folding after the first draw. I suck at poker.