[NL2-NL10] NL10: SH: A9s terribly misplayed.

    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      IPoker Network $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1717258
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      BTN: $17.09 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 25, 3B: 11, AF: 9.0, Hands: 73
      SB: $10.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 1.8, Hands: 250
      BB: $12.88 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 2.0 DonkbetFlop: 40(5) WTS: 17, Hands: 122
      Hero (UTG): $10.45 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 4.8, Hands: 66713
      MP: $9.85 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 13, 3B: 3, AF: 2.7, Hands: 356
      CO: $4.31 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 25, 3B: 11, AF: 9.0, Hands: 73

      Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with A :diamond: 9 :diamond:
      Hero raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 3 folds, BB calls $0.25

      Flop: ($1.10) A :spade: Q :heart: 4 :club: (3 players)
      BB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10, MP folds

      Turn: ($3.30) 9 :club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB calls $1.70

      River: ($6.70) K :heart: (2 players)
      BB bets $3.35, Hero calls $3.35

      Final Pot: $13.40
      BB shows A :heart: J :spade:
      Hero wins $12.51
      (Rake: $0.89)

      Reads: MP has called AKo from MP against my UTG raise 2 months ago

      Overall the hand is possibly very misplayed.

      Flop: all-in all it should be a fold since MP is yet to act and could have an ace as well as the fact that we are facing a pot-size bet. I called in the end because I thought that it makes no sense to donk a strong hand even an ace on this flop. Then again it would not make much sense to bluff just like that either. So should be an easy fold.

      Turn: Confusing since villain's play makes little sense. But I guess that I should just simply bet for value against some Ax hands. I do not understand why villain should check the turn if he has a monster.

      River: Even more confusing. All in all I think it should be a clear fold without reads. Looks like a weirdly played AK, KK or any other hand that beats me (looks like a value bet).
  • 3 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Avatars91,

      The problem on the flop is that he is still donking pot size into multiway pot. And it would be very difficult for us to continue on the turn anyways. Nor we can't be even sure if we do good if we hit for example 2pairs. :( Vs pot size I would even consider folding.

      As played I would Bet the turn a bit bigger and otherwise on the river well, kind of dumb spot. JT also now completes and better 2pairs possible. But now again didn't you Call the flop while you expect to be ahead? Therefore vs that range you should be also ahead on the river with 2 pairs.

      Best Regards.
    • Avatars91
      Avatars91
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2009 Posts: 2,689
      I agree completely.

      But if I do realize in the middle of the hand that my flop call was not a good choice and that I am not ahead most of the times I can still fold the river, right? Because his chosen line on the river looks like a sudden valuebet in fear of a check behind – AK, KK, a weirdly played AQ. I mean, he donks the flop with a pot-size bet, check/calls turn – that already shows at least some strength. And once he suddenly bets the river I really do not think that he is bluffing or overplaying a worse made hand (the results prove me wrong but that is not standard play by him and hardly an often seen one).
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      The case is that with some strong 2pairs or even sets I would still expect him to Bet bigger the river. But that's true that such a rivers often times might be towards even fold vs such a line and while he shows weakness with his play early streets and then decides to donk the river which is strength.