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[NL2-NL10] JJ 040912 zoom

    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($5)
      UTG+1 ($2.91)
      Hero (MP1) ($5.88)
      MP2 ($12.25)
      MP3 ($2.33)
      CO ($5.26)
      BTN ($7.11)
      SB ($5)
      BB ($4.46)

      Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 9 players) Hero is MP1 J:club: J:spade:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 5 folds, BB calls $0.10

      Flop: 2:diamond: 3:spade: 9:diamond: ($0.47, 3 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.33, Hero calls $0.33, BB folds

      Turn: 8:diamond: ($1.13, 2 players)
      UTG+1 bets $0.55, Hero ?
  • 7 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello nipbourne,

      Against UTG1 stack I would just 3bet it and get it in. :)

      Best Regards.
    • nipbourne
      nipbourne
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,597
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello nipbourne,

      Against UTG1 stack I would just 3bet it and get it in. :)

      Best Regards.
      why?because it's hard to play with just flat?what about postflop?
      if i have TT here,call or 3bet?
    • mineriva
      mineriva
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 913
      I am srry veri but I have to disagree with you looking at my hands (only 30 K) for the last month with the following filters:
      Stakes Nl2 zoom and NL5 zoom
      All-in preflop true
      BB's put in the pot preflop < 60

      and looking only at big pairs : KK-JJ
      My avg allin ev is 53.77%
      With JJ is 30.4%

      Maybe other zoom players can look at their data and compair stats. I would love to know if I am wrong.

      I for one would have folded simply because of the threat of a 3bet/squeez. If there was another caller I would call for set value.
      Plz correct me if I am wrong.
    • mineriva
      mineriva
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 913
      So after posting this I decided to play a session in 140 I got QQ 3x times this is what happend:

      Hand 1:
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $15.52
      SB:
      $10.21
      BB:
      $29.32
      UTG1:
      $10.41
      UTG2:
      $10.60
      MP1:
      $5.80
      MP2:
      $8.76
      MP3 (Hero):
      $3.90
      CO:
      $10.63


      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
      3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, BB raises to $2.90, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $3.90, BB calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($8.15) 9, 9, K (2 players)


      Turn: ($8.15) 8 (2 players)


      River: ($8.15) 3 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $8.15.
      Results follow:

      BB shows two pairs, aces and nines(A A).
      Hero shows two pairs, queens and nines(Q Q).

      BB wins with two pairs, aces and nines(A A).

      I thought maybe veri was right so I got it allin with QQ --- oops

      Hand 2 :
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU:
      $11.96
      BB:
      $4.72
      UTG1 (Hero):
      $4.30
      UTG2:
      $13.33
      MP1:
      $9.98
      MP2:
      $16.62
      MP3:
      $10.00
      CO:
      $4.70


      Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with Q, Q.
      Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.40, 2 folds, BB raises to $1.80, Hero calls $1.40, MP3 folds.

      Flop: ($4) 6, J, 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $2.26, Hero raises to $2.50(All-In), BB calls $0.24.

      Turn: ($9) 2 (2 players)


      River: ($9) J (2 players)


      Final Pot: $9.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, queens and jacks(Q Q).
      BB shows two pairs, aces and jacks(A A).

      BB wins with two pairs, aces and jacks(A A).

      This time I thought I will flat in position and stack off with over pair. That way at least I get some value should villian have AK. - OOPS

      Hand 3:
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      BU (Hero):
      $4.70
      SB:
      $20.49
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG2:
      $11.96
      MP1:
      $8.31
      MP2:
      $1.50
      MP3:
      $5.74
      CO:
      $9.85


      Preflop: Hero is BU with Q, Q.
      UTG2 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, SB raises to $2.70, BB folds, UTG2 raises to $11.96, Hero folds, SB calls $9.26.

      Flop: ($24.82) 2, 8, 6 (2 players)


      Turn: ($24.82) 5 (2 players)


      River: ($24.82) J (2 players)


      Final Pot: $24.82.
      Results follow:

      SB shows a pair of aces(A A).
      UTG2 shows high card ace(K A).

      SB wins with a pair of aces(A A).

      I followed my own advise and Finally I got it right

      And yes in 140 hands I got QQ 3x and 3x Villian had AA
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      mineriva lets start first to talk about you adding to full stack and playing BSS. :) And of course your hands are also played pretty badly. At least the 2nd QQ where you flat preflop.

      why?because it's hard to play with just flat?what about postflop?
      if i have TT here,call or 3bet?

      Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards.

      TT can be played differently and even for set value + overpair.
    • mineriva
      mineriva
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 913
      "Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards."

      srry i dont follow your meaning!?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by mineriva
      "Well, I just see that my JJ + vs not even a full stack could be far-ahead he could go broke even maybe with just 99 there or whatsoever and of course just overcards."

      srry i dont follow your meaning!?
      That he ain't playing even with full stack so therefore most likely a bad player and could have a lot worse hands in his range which continue.