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[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR QQ folded pre

    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 856
      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

      UTG+1: $6.09 (60.9 bb)
      UTG+2: $10 (100 bb)
      MP1: $10.47 (104.7 bb)
      MP2: $10.97 (109.7 bb)
      MP3: $10.95 (109.5 bb)

      CO: $3.24 (32.4 bb)
      BTN: $4.19 (41.9 bb)
      Hero (SB): $22.03 (220.3 bb)
      BB: $2.85 (28.5 bb)


      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
      4 folds, MP3 raises to $0.60, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.10, BB raises to $2.85 and is all-in, MP3 raises to $10.95 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Flop: ($7.80) J 3 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($7.80) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($7.80) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Since both of them are so tight, I think that at least one of them have better then QQ. Although I would hit good, I think I made correct decision. What do you think?

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      Name / Hands
      VPIP / PFR / AF / WTSD
      CB Flop / CB Turn / Fold to CB Flop / Fold to CB Turn
      Steal / Fold BB to steal / 3bet / Fold to 3bet / 4bet

      Results: $7.80 pot ($0.39 rake)
      Final Board: J 3 4 7 Q
      MP3 showed K K and lost (-$2.85 net)
      BB showed A A and won $7.41 ($4.56 net)
  • 5 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,060
      the question is rather if you should be 3betting vs 10/3 player...

      do you really want to go broke vs his shipping range which is likely QQ+ AK at best?
      maybe KK+ even
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Oly0909,

      Why do you 3bet in first place against a guy who is playing 10/3 and opening 6xBB. :) Rather Call it and play postflop.

      Best Regards.
    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
      Bronze
      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 856
      Originally posted by veriz
      Why do you 3bet in first place against a guy who is playing 10/3 and opening 6xBB. :)
      Errr... maybe because I'm fish :D

      I mean, really, that is the reason. This way my life is easier, either he folds or he shoves and I fold, no hard postflop decisions :)

      I know it's bad, but I guess deep down that was the real reason. I know that if I call, flop will be something like J43 2 suited and he will bet, and I have to call and turn will be blank and he will bet again, and I will not be able to find a fold and in the end I will call him down just to see his AA or KK, and to be mad at myself for loosing that stack knowing I'm behind all the time, or I will fold somwhere in the middle of a hand and be mad at myself because I lost a good portion of my stack and maybe folded a better hand as he could have just FD with AKs, especially when 2 FDs are possible on turn.

      Let's say I called and BB folded. What should I do on that flop and turn (I know about the river :f_biggrin: ) when he bets 3/4 or bigger every street?
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,060
      fold turn. you'll invest like the same amount as in 3bet pre anyway
      you just have to think, board comes rags and 3% PFR guy double barrels, what is his range here?

      also by calling you have a chance to setmine with queens :f_biggrin:
      most often we're calling QQ vs such supernits just to setmine. really
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Let's say I called and BB folded. What should I do on that flop and turn (I know about the river) when he bets 3/4 or bigger every street?

      Well, then I would act accordingly, might even fold on the turn cause we don't beat there much which is 2nd barreling. Till we face such actions it's always going to be "depends". :)