SNG $3 Pokerstrategy Video by helemaalnicks

    • Talic
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      link below:

      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/1155

      I also write it as a coment to the video but here i will get answer sooner, I was interested in SNG's so I watched this video. Do you think that everything is "all right "? I really doubt

      3 Four of a Kind Aces, honestly how often you see 4oak, and how often do you see 2 4OAK while multitabling, and how often do you see 3x 4OAK in a 5min. row

      offcourse there were some really wierd bad beats, watch for yourselfs

      Is this poker site serious, this really (really!) seems like a fraud
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    • Vargan
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      Originally posted by Talic
      link below:

      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/1155

      I also write it as a coment to the video but here i will get answer sooner, I was interested in SNG's so I watched this video. Do you think that everything is "all right "? I really doubt

      3 Four of a Kind Aces, honestly how often you see 4oak, and how often do you see 2 4OAK while multitabling, and how often do you see 3x 4OAK in a 5min. row

      offcourse there were some really wierd bad beats, watch for yourselfs

      Is this poker site serious, this really (really!) seems like a fraud
      Pokerstrategy or PokerStars?
      How could Pokerstrategy be a fraud? They give you everything free.
      And PokerStars is one of the biggest pokersites. Ofcourse its rigged!!!


      Neither is a fraud.

      You should read more about basic poker I think. (Not to be rude!) :O
    • Chiller3k
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      Hi Talic,
      I can assure you, that all of our partners use highly complicated random shuffeling algorithms.
      No player is able to manipulate the game to his or her favor.
      It was just pure luck.

      Best regards,
      Chiller3k
    • cannell555
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      PMSL
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by Chiller3k
      Hi Talic,
      I can assure you, that all of our partners use highly complicated random shuffeling algorithms.
      No player is able to manipulate the game to his or her favor.
      It was just pure luck.

      Best regards,
      Chiller3k
      Of course no player is, that would have no reason. Have you seen the video? Everyone knows what variance is, you can lose 5x times raw AA against 72o, thats variance. But 3x 4OAK and another wierd hands in this 45 minutes video, that highly, highly, highly unprobable. If you ask for reason - bigger money flow (higher rake), If the losing player (player making bad calls) is losing less than he can make more bad calls and increase the rake for site. I asked because I didnt believe that site like Pokerstars can do this, but situations in the video are together truly insane.

      no comments to Vargan
    • Chiller3k
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      It's a SNG...
      So everybody already paid their rake or fee.
      There is no need to create big pots.
      I admit: the chance is really small. BUT that doesn't mean it's impossible
    • CoreySteel
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      Originally posted by Chiller3k
      Hi Talic,
      I can assure you, that all of our partners use highly complicated random shuffeling algorithms.
      No player is able to manipulate the game to his or her favor.
      It was just pure luck.

      Best regards,
      Chiller3k
      One question about this statement.
      Are cards shuffled at the start of a hand? Are cards shuffled every street? Are they shuffling non-stop and picked up when they needed? Are street's picked up at the start of a hand?
    • CoreySteel
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      I thought so... Thanks for answer.
    • ciRith
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      Originally posted by CoreySteel
      Originally posted by Chiller3k
      Hi Talic,
      I can assure you, that all of our partners use highly complicated random shuffeling algorithms.
      No player is able to manipulate the game to his or her favor.
      It was just pure luck.

      Best regards,
      Chiller3k
      One question about this statement.
      Are cards shuffled at the start of a hand? Are cards shuffled every street? Are they shuffling non-stop and picked up when they needed? Are street's picked up at the start of a hand?
      At the start. They are on a virtual stack just as you have it on your homegames or in the casino. There is no reshuffling nor is there anything that influnce the cards after the hand is started.

      Wow deleted instead of edit. ^^
      This post belongs one up.
    • CoreySteel
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      Now it looks like that I'm thanking myself :D
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by Chiller3k
      It's a SNG...
      So everybody already paid their rake or fee.
      There is no need to create big pots.
      I admit: the chance is really small. BUT that doesn't mean it's impossible
      thats a big mistake, primary its not about rake but about generating situations when people get broke str8 ahainst FullHouse, flush against FullHouse.

      Think correctly, what is goal of any poker site - profit. I watched the video once more and there are so many situations like: str8 against 2 pair, on river flush, or full house, thats definitely profitable situation. (on SNG it isnt rake but entry fee to another SNG). There is enourmous amount of A-AK-KQJ-flush/flush draws. boards. some wierd AAA board every 20-30 hands, Ihave never played on PokerStars (I was going to) and this really terrified me.

      simple answer, picking the "right" boards or at least turns and rivers, I think I play a lot on PartyPoker and i have never seen all this in a row, off course I experienced some variance (losing with every nuts preflop) but thats seemed more likely as variance than this
    • Vargan
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Think correctly, what is goal of any poker site - profit.
      Ok. Lets say one site startes 100 SNGs 10+1$ BuyIn every hour of every day. Thats 100$ to the house every hour and 2400$ every day. And now add all the rakes from every other limit they have available. Then you have alot of money. Why would they risk rigging their games when they make such huge profit? Short answer is. They don't.

      No need to get paranoid. Just listen to what people tell you, its perfectly normal.
    • Talic
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      Originally posted by Vargan
      Originally posted by Talic
      Think correctly, what is goal of any poker site - profit.
      Ok. Lets say one site startes 100 SNGs 10+1$ BuyIn every hour of every day. Thats 100$ to the house every hour and 2400$ every day. And now add all the rakes from every other limit they have available. Then you have alot of money. Why would they risk rigging their games when they make such huge profit? Short answer is. They don't.

      No need to get paranoid. Just listen to what people tell you, its perfectly normal.
      1) You should read more about basic math I think. (actually I am sure)
      SNG's are mostly for 10 people, that means 10x(100x1$ rake) per hour
      2) A lot of money? You cant judge what's lot of money, everyone have different opinion, so this is irrelevant!

      The odds of having 4OAK are so low, please let the comments for someone who fully understand the game
    • helemaalnicks
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      uh oh... I wonder how pple will react to my new vid, there is a straight flush in it :D .
    • chenny8888
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      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by Vargan
      Originally posted by Talic
      Think correctly, what is goal of any poker site - profit.
      Ok. Lets say one site startes 100 SNGs 10+1$ BuyIn every hour of every day. Thats 100$ to the house every hour and 2400$ every day. And now add all the rakes from every other limit they have available. Then you have alot of money. Why would they risk rigging their games when they make such huge profit? Short answer is. They don't.

      No need to get paranoid. Just listen to what people tell you, its perfectly normal.
      1) You should read more about basic math I think. (actually I am sure)
      SNG's are mostly for 10 people, that means 10x(100x1$ rake) per hour
      2) A lot of money? You cant judge what's lot of money, everyone have different opinion, so this is irrelevant!

      The odds of having 4OAK are so low, please let the comments for someone who fully understand the game
      why is this necessary? just ask any above breakeven player and he'll tell you that you're an idiot.
    • helemaalnicks
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      yeh, im not gonna respond to this question. I agree with what the mods above said. If you wanna comment on the fact that pokerstars is rigged, plz write support@pokerstars.com
    • CoreySteel
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      Originally posted by chenny8888
      Originally posted by Talic
      Originally posted by Vargan
      Originally posted by Talic
      Think correctly, what is goal of any poker site - profit.
      Ok. Lets say one site startes 100 SNGs 10+1$ BuyIn every hour of every day. Thats 100$ to the house every hour and 2400$ every day. And now add all the rakes from every other limit they have available. Then you have alot of money. Why would they risk rigging their games when they make such huge profit? Short answer is. They don't.

      No need to get paranoid. Just listen to what people tell you, its perfectly normal.
      1) You should read more about basic math I think. (actually I am sure)
      SNG's are mostly for 10 people, that means 10x(100x1$ rake) per hour
      2) A lot of money? You cant judge what's lot of money, everyone have different opinion, so this is irrelevant!

      The odds of having 4OAK are so low, please let the comments for someone who fully understand the game
      why is this necessary? just ask any above breakeven player and he'll tell you that you're an idiot.
      You can't judge who is an idiot. Everyone has different opinion so this is irrelevant.
    • chenny8888
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      Originally posted by CoreySteel
      You can't judge who is an idiot. Everyone has different opinion so this is irrelevant.
      my opinion is that 1+1 is not equal to 2.

      the world is flat.

      i swear, i flip a coin and call it correct like 1/5 of the time.



      that's ok though, that's just my opinion on these facts.



      (btw the post wasn't directed at you corey, it was at Talic)
    • Chiller3k
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      I don't see the problem.
      Sure it's unlikely. But it's also very unlikely to dice a six fifteen times in a row (2.1*10^-10% to be exactly. The chance for 4oak is something like 0,02%). But if you try it long enough you will succeed. And I don't think you would call somebody a cheater, who does so. You would just think you was damn lucky.
      Only because an event has a small chance to arrive it does not mean it will never happen.
    • helemaalnicks
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      the world is flat.


      that is definitely not true! The world is round, just like a pancake.