[NL2-NL10] 4NL how to get more value w/ flopped set

    • William340
      William340
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2012 Posts: 170
      $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Holdem
      Merge
      6 Players
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      Stacks:
      UTG Player7 ($6.12)
      UTG+1 Player9 ($4.37)
      CO Player1 ($4.23)
      BTN Player2 ($1.80)
      SB William340 ($4.61)
      BB Player4 ($3) VPIP: 31, PFR: 13, 3B: 8, AF: 2.7, Hands: 296

      Pre-Flop: ($0.06, 6 players) William340 is SB 2:heart: 2:club:
      4 folds, William340 calls $0.02, Player4 checks

      Flop: 2:spade: 10:diamond: 4:spade: ($0.08, 2 players)
      William340 bets $0.04, Player4 calls $0.04

      Turn: Q:diamond: ($0.16, 2 players)
      William340 bets $0.10, Player4 raises to $0.20, William340 raises to $0.46, Player4 calls $0.26

      River: 6:spade: ($1.08, 2 players)
      William340 bets $0.81, Player4 calls $0.81

      Final Pot: $2.70
      William340 shows
      2:heart: 2:club:
      Player4 shows
      5:spade: 10:heart:

      William340 wins $2.57 (net +$1.22)

      Player4 collects $0.00 (net -$1.35)

      I guess I could have raised pre-flop, but he might have just folded.
      my "steal from SB" is pretty low.
      and I do not want to get 3B and then play OOP.
      ideally, there would have been a raiser and I could have tagged along.

      anyway, I flop the set in the unraised pot and want to get some money in, so I lead out for 1/2P.
      should I have gone for 5 or 6 cents on the flop?
      on the turn, I lead out again for a little more than 1/2 (5/8, actually)
      and get min raised.
      I of course want to 3B, but was not sure how much. I figured if he was going to call at all, he'd call more than the min-raise to .30 but was not sure how high to go.

      suggestions?

      anyway, after he called there, I bet 80% on the river.
      I was hoping he would raise again (but not w/ 44!), but I was glad to get called.

      was my line pretty good, or could I have extracted more value?

      given his hand, he was not likely to call pre-flop if I raised, and I was very lucky he made TPWK and was willing to go quite a way with it.

      but could I have gotten more?
  • 4 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 6,892
      Originally posted by William340
      I guess I could have raised pre-flop, but he might have just folded.
      my "steal from SB" is pretty low.
      he looks like fish. are you sure that he cares? :D
      still 22 really sucks to play out of position. raising or completing depends on how much he folds to cbets imo

      with freeplay sets i just lead out for potsize, sometimes pot on turn too :f_biggrin: of course you want to get it in on turn and hope that he has something like twopair.
      i wouldn't want to be raised on the river because it's going to mean a flush so often... sometimes he may also show 35 :f_eek:
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello William340,

      Preflop: No way to complete here, rather just raise it up and be happy if you get the pot. If you get 3bet then you can fold unless you get set mining odds. :)

      As played
      Flop: I'd go even for over-bet here vs draws + Tx hands.

      As played
      Turn: Most likely still Bet it bigger here as well and maybe even over-bet to protect from draws.

      As played
      River: Why do you Bet so big? FD completed so I don't really see any reason to commit yourself here, rather make a 1/2 pot size Bet at max.

      Best Regards.
    • William340
      William340
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2012 Posts: 170
      :(
      so, my bets are small when they need to be big & big when they need to be small.
      other than that, I'm good, right?
      :D

      so much to learn & work on.
      which is why I play $4NL.

      thanks, veriz.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by William340
      :(
      so, my bets are small when they need to be big & big when they need to be small.
      other than that, I'm good, right?
      :D

      so much to learn & work on.
      which is why I play $4NL.

      thanks, veriz.
      Just keep posting and we will figure out when to Bet big and small cause I can't write you really an article into here. :P Try reading some articles about CBetting.