Feel like a pro, play like a noob...

    • MasterKyodai
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      Hi there I am new here. And by my title you can already tell what brought me here. I always felt like i am already a pro, but getting into pokerstrategy.com showed me that i rather played like a noob. Excellent website, excellent articles and tutorials, I will really recommend this site to any poker player i know.
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    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Hey MasterKyodai,

      Good to have you here, welcome to our Forum, hope to see you getting involved around here :)

      I'm sure most have us have felt like a pro and not realised how bad we are but thats what we are here for to turn you into a winner :)

      So whats the next step for you? Are you taking our quiz for the $50 starting capital? Or are you just gonna jump straight in and deposit your own funds and make use of a first deposit bonus?

      Also don't forget to check out the videos as well as the articles :)

      Nice to have you on board, let me know if i can help you with anything

      Carl
    • gadget51
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      Hi there MasterKyodai and welcome!

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      Very best regards and have a good time here,

      Mal.
    • MasterKyodai
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      Yeah my next step? Well i already took the quiz and qualified for the starting money, so just waiting for it to appear in my 770 account.

      I already played a lot on 888 Poker and although my old bankroll strategy is even much more conservative than the 2% strategy suggested here my general poker strategy was much less cautious and conservative than what is suggested here.


      Regarding overall strategy i mostly agree with everything said in the tutorials although in some cases i find it is very mathematical. In reality i could simply often not allow to fold on some hands that were "just under the threshold" regarding the official strategy, so in some cases i just got all-in with a pair of queens where i should have had at least a pair of kings. Yeah noob here, so maybe i change my mind about that when i learned some more, but sometimes i just losened the strategy rules a tiny bit when i personally felt it was appropriate in the situation.

      Also since i learned about the pokerstrategy.com strategies i realized that there are quite some people following it. Sometimes you can even tell by the size of the raise that these guys played "exactly after the handout", so even without seeing their cards i could tell when they have a good hand and when not. I kinda want to avoid that, as i think if you play like a robot after the pokerstrategy.com suggestions it makes you a bit too predictable - at least for people who also know these.

      I think for me i will just play REALLY A LOT using what i learned here and mainly try to gain more experience. So far the tips and strategies here already helped me improve a lot in my beloved Sit-n-gos. I will probably need to play a few thousand more hands to really get more experienced with the strategy and in the end imma just try to make the best out of what i learned here and my own experience.
    • gadget51
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      Hey MasterKyodai,

      Admittedly it is a bit predictable to play a 'textbook' style, but here at Pokerstrategy.com our coaches teach this style of play because it keeps newer players out of trouble spots and is still a profitable way to approach the looser games and bad players we meet at these low levels of buyin..

      Now, having said that, you are obviously taking close note of your oponents which is to be commended, naturally; so look at these guys as newer players who will make mistakes, especially postflop, then learn to take advantage of that. :)

      Oh by the way, do I feel a blog coming on soon?

      Very best regards,

      Mal.
    • Tomaloc
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      your goal as a player is to improve and outgrow the charts :f_biggrin:

      as you get more experienced you'll be able to play more hands profitably. then you mess around with different raise sizes, etc..
    • MasterKyodai
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      Thanks for the comments everyone. Yeah i still have a loooooong way to go and really loads to learn.

      However, one thing i would always recommend everyone that is not directly a strategy but helped me a lot is to tag opponents when you learned something about them. For example in 888 Poker you can tag every opponent permanently and give them a symbol, so people who often go all-in before the flop and just have trash like a 4 and a 7, even off suit they usually get the "donkey" from me. It's good to know if someone at your table is some goof who will "go all-in whatever hand he got" or some pro that is obviously following the pokerstrategy.com charts. After a few hundred sit-n-gos i already have quite a lot of people tagged and even if that doesn't give you x-ray glasses to see their cards you can estimate a little bit more precisely. At least it helped me quite a lot after a while. But yeah, most often you will just play against people you never saw before, so in that case pokerstrategy.com tactics go over everything else.
    • ArkhamAsylum
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      yo dude :f_cool: feel free to hit me up if you ever have a question or need anything (money not included or sexual favors) :f_p:
    • MasterKyodai
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      Originally posted by ArkhamAsylum
      yo dude :f_cool: feel free to hit me up if you ever have a question or need anything (money not included or sexual favors) :f_p:

      Thank you dear sir, i will gladly come back to your offer once I am back from japan. =) I could really use some help, I am still very far from being good. I will try to use the trainer program a bit more, but i still lack much experience, i often miss to count chips and realize when i get from early to middle to late phase, especially in these short paced "super turbo" sit-n-gos. I am also only focusing on sit-n-go in texas holdem as i think its quite straightforward for beginners, later i wanna learn about other forms of matches as well.

      Another thing i learned i wanna give back as an advise for fellow beginners - dont let the pace make you crazy. I often had much more luck staying cool and using my time bank - keep in mind it doesn't matter if you're the chip leader or not, it matters that you stay in the game as long as possible. Especially in low buy-in tournaments with like 60+ people i often had gained much by just taking my time. WHile i waited for my time bank to run out i could often already watch like 5 people falling out of the tournament and every competitor less brings you closer to the "final table". Of course I'm not saying you should "sit out" (Never let a good hand pass without reacting) but its all about staying in and not about hurrying. =)
    • kruger32
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      Originally posted by MasterKyodai
      However, one thing i would always recommend everyone that is not directly a strategy but helped me a lot is to tag opponents....
      Dude, I play heads up and is the heart of the game for me!
      That is a very good habit. And is recommended in later articles in this website. Keep doing it. A very very +EV habits. Can't stress enough.

      However reading your posts I would like to say a thing or two. Assuming you are a complete beginner.

      Deviating from the standard starting hands is OK; but is often -EV or at least high variance. I don't play cash games FL or SH nowadays but my QQ was frequently outdrawn by worse hands; back in my cash game playing days. Of course since it is +EV in the long run it is profitable but variance can really crush you; not to mention tilting after losing a buyin to a guy's 72s flush with a solid hand like TT, JJ. So dude stick to these charts. Really.

      I kinda want to avoid that, as i think if you play like a robot after the pokerstrategy.com suggestions it makes you a bit too predictable - at least for people who also know these.
      C'mon dude. This is micro stakes. No one will even notice you. Let alone watch you play. Even in Heads up where you play against a single opponent and he watches your every move; you can play predictable and still win easily. Don't try to be unpredictable and creative. Really. Keep that in your pockets for higher stakes.
      Another thing is that these strategies are kinda unexploitable. That's why just keep playing, and don't try to be Gus Hansen in micro stakes.


      Use a poker tracking software. And play a lot of hands. A lot of beginners think after 300+ hands they now have a good database. Yeah, well
      NOOOOOOOOO! IT IS NOOOOOOT!

      Make a database of about 10k + hands playing ABC poker and see how it holds up. You can improve a lot by just studying your database.

      Another thing is playing creatively. Don't do it in micro stakes. Just don't.

      These are just suggestions and not +EV commandments. Feel free to ignore.
      And if you need help just ask me. I'd be happy to help.
    • AlexKockar
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      This is my place for nh holdem:) ) welcome in Belgrade :) ))) every day in Grand casino;)
    • MasterKyodai
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      Big thanks to Kruger32 for your feedback. Well you are probably right that the strategy can not be exploited - what i learned so far from my little experience was that even with much bad luck your bankroll goes up in the long run. SO probably absolutely right.

      But what i noticed myself is that if you realize someone is a perfect pokerstrategy.com follower he is quite predictable. Like if he has got the big blind and doesn't raise you already know he got trash, so you can always just raise to grab the pot. And if that guy ever raises or goes all-in i kinda know like "Oh wow, now he got KK or AA". I always tag fellow PS users (or people using THE strategy) with the shark symbol. But yeah you're of course right that at the 2 cent buy-in sit-n-go with 60 seats you are barely noticable yourself. I still stick to these as they are good training and losing 2 cents I am very unlikely to tilt. And if i do it is not really costly. :tongue:
    • kruger32
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      Oh wow, 2 cent per game; that's good bankroll management.
      Bad bankroll management. Death of aspiring poker players...

      As long as you have good bankroll management you can play creatively since variance and tilt will not affect you that much. But always be cautious. Never make surefire -EV decisions. Use equilab to understand equities.

      Anyway, build that database. It'll be your learning resource for later. You can look at specific hands and how you play those.

      For ex: My database shows I actually lost 44 BB playing AKo! This means I'm playing it too aggressively and over valuing it.

      You get the idea.

      Anyway; I'm new too so don't take my advice too seriously. Think about what I say and take what you like :)

      BTW, you playing SNGs? Want to beat them consistently? Get Collin Moshman's book about SNG and get SNG Wizard. Also download the ICM trainer from this site. I guarantee you you'll make easy bucks playing SNG if you use these tools. Great way to build bankroll.

      Edit: My opening sentence kinda looks like a sarcastic comment. It is not.
    • MasterKyodai
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      Thanks for your reply!

      Even though you may also be new you already have more experience than me.

      Yeah the 2 cent SNG are very conservative and cautious regarding bankroll strategy, but i already managed to get my bankroll up to around 50 USD so imma keep to it until i feel much more experienced. At the moment these are still very fun and good and cheap practice.

      What i like about the 2 cent SNGs at 888 poker is that they are a great chance to get experience and also a good way to tag as many players as possible. In some tournaments i already had like half of the people tagged so i already often have a realitic overview of the players. Very good if you know someone is a "donkey" (I tag people like that that do crap like goin all-in before the flop when they have a trash hand like a 4 and a 7 or so) or a "Shark" (people who follow the pokerstrategy.com guides get this tag from me).

      When I'm back from Japan imma get into building up a database.

      I already use the ICM trainer a lot, but the book from Colin moshman sounds very interesting, imma definitely try to get hold of it, i like books.


      Thanks again for taking your time to reply to me, really appreciated!
    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Hey again,

      What are you doing in Japan? Business or pleasure? Do you speak much Japanese? Really, really want to go there
    • kruger32
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      ! Yeah Japan !
    • MasterKyodai
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      Originally posted by ExternalUseOnly
      Hey again,

      What are you doing in Japan? Business or pleasure? Do you speak much Japanese? Really, really want to go there

      Definitely pleasure. My Girlfriend is Japanese so i am visiting her. Well and i will propose to her this time. My 8th time being here in Japan. Not great from a poker point of view (People here are more into pachinko and pachislo), but still a great country to visit. Tokyo offers so much fun if you're young. Thousands of clubs, bars, discos and places to spend your time and money (HEY! Hopefully not your bankroll, lol!).

      Interesting culture and people, also very kind to foreigners. To me it's always like a totally different world.
    • ExternalUseOnly
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      Wow awesome, Gl with the proposal hope she says yes :D

      Is that where you are going then? Tokyo?

      I'm very Jealous, take lots of pics and show them here when you come back ;)
    • MasterKyodai
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      Yeah I'm mostly in Tokyo but we'll also have a trip to Hakone for 2 days.

      And yeah i hope i can take some nice pictures. I already had a good laugh at some laundry soap at a super market.

      http://www.fibre2fashion.com/news/company-news/kao-corporation/newsdetails.aspx?news_id=16968