[NL20-NL50] NL20 KK 3bet pot deep vs turn c/r

    • jozata
      jozata
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      Joined: 30.07.2008 Posts: 646
      Cassava Poker $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1760121
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      CO: $40.80
      BTN: $20.00
      SB: $61.45
      Hero (BB): $47.35
      UTG: $25.09

      Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero is BB with K :club: K :heart:
      1 fold, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.60

      Flop: ($4.20) T :spade: 5 :spade: 2 :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $2.60, SB calls $2.60

      Turn: ($9.40) J :club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $6.40, SB raises to $12.80, Hero folds

      VPIP/PFR/AF/F3b/CC-3b/WTSD/Hands
      41/27/1,78/18/50(8)/25/279
      Villain is pretty good, giving me a hard time even when he is OOP.
      If I have to be honest he has been running over me for several sessions.
      I bet turn for value. The problem with his c/r is that if I call it I'll have less than a pot-sized bet left. I believe he is trying to set me up for a river shove, to which I wont be able to fold.
      Getting it in on the turn this deep seems a bit overplayed.
      Is the fold ok?
  • 6 replies
    • awishformore
      awishformore
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      Joined: 16.06.2007 Posts: 922
      I would say 100% yes. He almost always has the flush here. He might sometimes have two-pair JT or sets. Worst case he only has a good flush draw with a pair imho, so you're always far behind or just very slightly ahead.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
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      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Should there be a 2nd barrell in the first place? How about a check behind on the turn and call a 1/2 sized river bet if another :spade: doesn't fall?
    • jozata
      jozata
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      Joined: 30.07.2008 Posts: 646
      If I had the K :spade: I most probably would have checked behind the turn.
      But without a spade I think that betting turn is better.
      Depending on the river I migh even make a small value bet.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
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      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Most of the times he's gonna call the flop with a :spade: and he won't fold to the turn bet anyway. Else he called the flop with a TPGK kind of hand which will fold to the turn bet anyway.

      So by checking the turn we lose less if he has a FD and hits the river, we induce a bluff from TPGK hands on the river.

      If I had a K :spade: then I'd go ahead and bet the turn definitely. If he has a flush on the flop then I don't see why he would want to slowplay it on the flop.
    • maheepsangari
      maheepsangari
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      Joined: 08.06.2010 Posts: 2,163
      Sorry double post.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello jozata,

      I like your play here and unfortunately we can't really continue, especially when his range will contain a lot of those hands which could be like TT/JJ. Doesn't seem to be an aggressive player either. Only hope we can see on the turn is A:sJx.

      Oh and especially when being deep.

      Best Regards.