Quit poker or turn pro?

    • Tunatic
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      Hello fellow PokerStrategy members,

      I've been posting on here in the past about my issues, but this time things have gotten serious, and I would really appreciate any support from you guys <3

      I am 18 years old and for the last year I have been in constant debt. Reason? Blackjack. That's right, my problem is that whenever I play poker, I start mixing it with blackjack, and every time I did it, it ended catastrophically - losing my WHOLE bankroll.

      I do believe I am a winning poker player, but my profit gets messed up, all thanks to blackjack. A week ago, I won a nice tourney at poker, and then my bankroll stood at about $1000. This might seem strange to you, but this is the most money I've ever had available in my whole life! It's huge for me! Losing all of this would result in me falling in a great depression.

      As stated before, I just can't resist blackjack, no matter how hard I try or keep telling myself I'll lose in the end. And obviously, besides playing poker, I've also mixed it with blackjack. And once I open that blackjack window, there's no way I can close it. Especially if I'm at a loss, I just won't stop until I get the whole loss back or just lose my whole bankroll and then feel horrible.

      So, yeah, after mixing poker with blackjack for the last few week, my bankroll has been on a huge swing. It fell from $1000 to $300, climbed back up to $1500, fell down to $500, and at this very moment it stands at $2000.

      See, now exactly there's my problem. I just doubled my whole bankroll in a week, all thanks to blackjack. I literally won $1000 in a week with blackjack, which is a whole lot of money for me.

      But, seriously, I just ended a session of blackjack, and I have this feeling that if I don't stop playing it, in the next few days my life may just fall apart if I lose these $2000. Therefore a huge decision stands before me.

      Should I somehow try to overcome my blackjack addiction, and risk my bankroll (since obviously I can't control myself)? Should I withdraw my whole bankroll right now, and forget about poker and gambling for the rest of my life (this would be very hard for me, because I see poker as one of my main incomes in the future). Should I seek professional help?
  • 19 replies
    • Tomaloc
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      lol pretty sick.

      you could probably use some Jared Tendler help
      i'm afraid that he may not be very active atm though.
    • jonnyjm
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      Poker will never be a main source of income for you until you kick your blackjack habbit.

      I don't know you (obvs) but it sounds like you are a vulnerable individual when it comes to gambling. I assume as you are only 18 your current income isn't more than 2 or 3 hundred (£/$/e) a month, which should make these losses and swings meaningful to some extent. The fact that you can gamble with such significant proportions of you money suggest you might in fact already need to seek professional help before your problems and issues snowball into something more extreme. Before thinking about poker i think you need to both kick your blackjack habit and learn to respect and most importantly manage your money. Even then i would start with freerolls so youo don't blow money you carn't afford by re opening any of the old gambling gates.


      Good luck.
    • Econom1sta
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      In be4 bust.

      Seriously man, you are young. QUIT gambling - it's a one way street! Withdraw it to safety and continue playing on sites that don't offer casino games.

      I have this feeling that if I don't stop playing it, in the next few days my life may just fall apart if I lose these $2000.


      Trust your gut. It will never fail you.
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by Econom1sta

      Withdraw it to safety and continue playing on sites that don't offer casino games.

      I agree that this is the single most important thing that you can do right now. It might not cure your gambling, but it will at least get you away from it. I also suggest a site with table limit restrictions so that you can prevent yourself from gambling. And move on from there ;) .

      -SF
    • Tunatic
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      Thank you a whole lot for these words. I knew I could count on you guys.

      Yeah, I am indeed thinking of moving my roll to a site without casino games, but still there remains a fear of when I will be on tilt, I am capable of depositing to a site with blackjack in a few seconds and start playing it again. It's hard to block yourself from casino games altogether.

      I might just take a few months or even years of break, depending on how I'll be able to keep my hands away from blackjack tables in the next few days.

      Thanks a whole lot, once again.
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      You could probably use the StayFocusd google chrome to block yourself from the sites that have casino games... It might not be the best solution, but it's a decent one ;) .

      -SF
    • Zakumii
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      You are young you should not risk that money on Blackjack!

      You definitely need some sort of professional help about the gambling problem, I'm guessing you haven't opened up to your parents about it. This could be the time, as they will be so worried they will make sure you do not use blackjack again.

      You need some self control, I mean you keep telling us you know its wrong, and you have a feeling in your gut that it isn't right, and you know the swings can make you very depressed and lose control. Just keep that in mind! Fight the urge to play blackjack! Just don't fucking go near it, if you even think of it just stop, go outside and slap yourself a few times!

      Best thing you could do would be to withdraw $1500 of the balance now and use that to go out and socialize! Go out with friends, bring a girl out shopping, go away for a weekend to a nice hotel, something thats not poker it will clear up your mind and make you see you do not want to lose it all!

      Then with the last $500 start grinding it up using strict bankroll management, and if you are a winning player well then you will be sorted! Stay away from the blackjack mate!!!!

      All the best and keep us updated! :)
    • ArkhamAsylum
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      Wow..... you are in deep poo laddy. At 18 and addicted to blackjack. Go to your parents, tell them right now what is going on. They will stop this blackjack business, you need them now as you could never have a career in poker when you have addiction tendencies.

      They can get you help. :f_biggrin:
    • Hackett77
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      Yes you need to get some with your blackjack addiction. It is an addiction just the same as same as heroin, Cocaine or nicotine. This should be your number one priority right now.

      Forget about making money from pooker (or having any money full stop until you do this) addictions are slippery slide where it only goes downhill.

      Fixing it now should be relatively simple given your age, compared to waiting 10 years when it will be so much harder and will have caused so much destruction in your life.

      The good news is, like all addictions, you can be treated and helped, it just takes you to be committed. Oftentimes an addiction or other negative behavioral issues stem from an issue with our internal belief systems, developed in childhood, but these negative beliefs can be challenged and changed.

      Start off by going to see your GP and they will refer to a relevant specialist but do it asap because the inital process can take some time.

      I hope you do get sorted, if you want someone to talk to about this then get in touch.
    • kruger32
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      Doesn't pokerstars have something that allows you to restrict withdrawals and deposits or is it only deposits? It would be useful for you.

      Man...
      Kick blackjack. Get professional help if you think you'll get serious about poker.
    • mineriva
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      Step 1: Withdraw at least $1000.00 NOW!

      Step 2: reed all the articles about bank roll managing

      step 3: stick to poker and stick to brm
    • evertonroar
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      Originally posted by mineriva
      Step 1: Withdraw at least $1000.00 NOW!

      Step 2: reed all the articles about bank roll managing

      step 3: stick to poker and stick to brm
      He has an addiction. Step one is remove all his money and ask each site he is a member of to ban him immediately.

      Step two is get professional help.
    • MatejM47
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      Well being addicted to poker isnt a bad thing if you winning a lot of money. So if you are a winning player then why not just play on the sites that don't offer BJ? Just move your roll to stars or w/e and ban yourself from all the sites that offer other casino games.
    • evertonroar
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Well being addicted to poker isnt a bad thing if you winning a lot of money.
      yes it is. when your addicted to something like poker it becomes more important than your family, friends, health, job and everything else.
    • Hackett77
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      Originally posted by MatejM47
      Well being addicted to poker isnt a bad thing if you winning a lot of money. So if you are a winning player then why not just play on the sites that don't offer BJ? Just move your roll to stars or w/e and ban yourself from all the sites that offer other casino games.
      He isnt addicted to poker he is addicted to Blackjack. But thats kind of irrelevant, the point is he suffers from an addiction and when suffering from any kind of addiction its incredibly hard to maintain a healthy, fully functioning life without slowly destroying yourself and those around you.

      Also, until the root cause of his addiction is addressed, even if he stops playing blackjack it will inevitably be replaced by something else, which could be poker. Being addicted to poker is a very bad thing indeed and is not healthy because when under the influence of an addiction you are not in control of your emotions and have no real self control, couple this with playing poker and no matter what your level of strategic thinking is you wont win over the long term.
    • KozakFB
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      Sounds like you luckboxed a tourney and think you can turn pro cause you turned 1000 into 2000 in a short period.

      Try again man.

      Time to quit poker and focus on studying.
    • pavels4444
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      Originally posted by Econom1sta
      In be4 bust.

      Seriously man, you are young. QUIT gambling - it's a one way street! Withdraw it to safety and continue playing on sites that don't offer casino games.

      I have this feeling that if I don't stop playing it, in the next few days my life may just fall apart if I lose these $2000.


      Trust your gut. It will never fail you.
      +1

      sounds like you have a gambling problem overall. If you believe you can be a winning poker player, just play on Stars or on some other site that doesn't offer black jack/roulette/whatever else
    • penno10
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      Originally posted by KozakFB
      Sounds like you luckboxed a tourney and think you can turn pro cause you turned 1000 into 2000 in a short period.

      Try again man.

      Time to quit poker and focus on studying.
      This, if you're not a long term winning player forget about turning pro. You are 18 go out and spend that money on having fun. I'd get professional help about the blackjack and tell your parents.
      Try and get some perspective, poker and money are not as important as going out and having a good time when you are young.
      You have to be realistic making a lot of money from online poker is extremely hard making any steady money for online poker is hard. You have to be dedicated, realistic and good with money.
      Once you beat your blackjack problem then come back to poker start playing low and see how you get on.
    • i5bet72o
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      Tbh I dont really know any poker pro or semi pro who can honestly say that they are not atleast somewhat addicted to poker.
      Addicted=passionate but different conatations.