[NL2-NL10] NL 10 trips facing river c/r-shove

    • asimos
      asimos
      Coach
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      Joined: 21.07.2011 Posts: 1,426
      iPoker - £0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      CO:39/20/3b:3 over 78 hands.
      Villain is 19/14/Af:3, 3b:9, fcb:75, WSF:38, WTS:38 WSD:60 over 97 hands.

      I bet small on the river bc CO called 2 times in multiway pot, so I do not expect him to call a larger amount with worse (I try to take value from sth like Qx,89s maybe :f_cool: ).

      When I face the shove I can't figure out Villain's play :f_mad: . He reps only Jx, but QJ might had raised the flop, I don't know if AJ/KJ would call pre... and if he had QQ/88 on the flop he would or should have raised most of the times also.

      Should I bet 1/2 psb on the river?
      How should I react after the shove?

      SB: £16.88
      BB: £10.00
      UTG: £11.65
      Hero (MP): £12.37
      CO: £19.24
      BTN: £10.30

      SB posts SB £0.05, BB posts BB £0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: £0.15) Hero has J:spade: T:spade:

      fold, Hero raises to £0.30, CO calls £0.30, fold, fold, BB calls £0.20

      Flop: (£0.95, 3 players) Q:club: J:club: 8:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets £0.70, CO calls £0.70, BB calls £0.70

      Turn: (£3.05, 3 players) J:diamond:
      BB checks, Hero bets £2.00, fold, BB calls £2.00

      River: (£7.05, 2 players) 2:spade:
      BB checks, Hero bets £2.80, BB raises to £7.00, Hero calls £4.20
  • 4 replies
    • Anger86
      Anger86
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      Joined: 17.08.2008 Posts: 511
      When I'm OOP I'll sometimes try to x river for bluff induce, because some draws could bet when he's against missed IP.
      Maybe I can c/c or x/r, It depends.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello asimos,

      Bet the turn bigger and ship the river. :) He has enough of Qx hands which may Call you. But as played well, your idea of such a bet is kind of block-bet isn't it? Or what was the purpose of the bet, induce bluffs from missed draws?

      Best Regards.
    • asimos
      asimos
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      Joined: 21.07.2011 Posts: 1,426
      Originally posted by veriz
      Hello asimos,

      But as played well, your idea of such a bet is kind of block-bet isn't it? Or what was the purpose of the bet, induce bluffs from missed draws?

      Best Regards.
      So, if it is a block bet I have to fold?
      But it isn't really a block bet. Bc I do not bet small being afraid of that he will bet a larger amount I won't be able to call.
      I bet bc I am afraid Villain will check back, and I bet small bc I target a range that has to cry call me....giving good odds for a call.
      So the question is what the shove from Villain means... :f_cry:

      Originally posted by veriz

      Bet the turn bigger and ship the river. :)
      I bet this size hoping for two calls... :)

      And here is another of my fishy hands from today's session...there are some similarities..

      Should I play more for a check-call in situations like these ones?

      iPoker - £0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: £5.39
      CO: £10.00
      BTN: £3.80
      Hero (SB): £19.67
      BB: £9.90

      Hero posts SB £0.05, BB posts BB £0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: £0.15) Hero has Q:diamond: J:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to £0.30, BB calls £0.20

      Flop: (£0.60, 2 players) J:diamond: T:diamond: 8:heart:
      Hero bets £0.45, BB calls £0.45

      Turn: (£1.50, 2 players) T:heart:
      Hero bets £0.75, BB calls £0.75 ... (I should have bet bigger maybe)

      River: (£3.00, 2 players) 4:heart:
      Hero bets £0.90, BB raises to £3.00, Hero calls £2.10

      Hero shows Q:diamond: J:heart: (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens) (Pre 42%, Flop 59%, Turn 75%)
      BB shows 7:diamond: A:diamond: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 58%, Flop 41%, Turn 25%)
      Hero wins £8.40
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      So, if it is a block bet I have to fold?

      That's the idea of block-bet. :) And also make it this amount so you wouldn't induce bluffs vs you.

      Should I play more for a check-call in situations like these ones?

      If you assume he is capable of bluffing then yep. :) 9x most likely in this case would have raised on the turn.