Starting poker again

    • BlueZizou18
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      Hello everyone. I haven't played poker since last July and I'm playing on Saturday, how should I play?

      I'm still a teenager so still inexperienced, has anyone got any advice they'd like to share that they think would benefit me because I'm sure when I'm 30+ I'll know a lot more than I do now.

      Cheers guys.
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    • William340
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      are you playing live or online?
      tournament or cash?
      what kind of stakes ?
    • BlueZizou18
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      Good point. Tournament, about 40/50 people, just £33 buy-in with add-on £10.
    • BlueZizou18
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      ...at a casino.
    • UPAY4DINNER
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      Welcome back BlueZizou18,

      I've moved your thread to the relevant board.

      I have zero live experience personally so I can't offer any advice but I'm sure this great community will come to your aid :f_cool:

      All the best,
      Gary
    • RasTweet
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      Hi BlueZizou18

      I have no experience in live tourneys either :( I really want to play some live poker though.

      Just want to wish you good luck and keep us up to date if you shipped it!

      RasTweet
    • BlueZizou18
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      Live poker is a lot better in my opinion; it's a more fun and if you're advanced enough you can sometimes get an idea of what your opponent may have. You need to try it guys, get down to your local casino.

      Thanks Gary, i havent been on this site since last year too but because im playing soon and the last time i was on here i had a lot of support from a lot of people I thought id come back.

      I'll let u know how it goes....

      So, what types of games/stakes do you all play and what's the best payouts you have had.
    • RasTweet
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      Hi BlueZizou18

      We do have some articles regarding to live poker play.

      Live poker

      Last weekend I went to one of the only 4 casino's in Belgium. And since I only play cash games I asked about the limits and rake. The only limit they have is nl200 with a max buying of €400. And that is just too much for me :( I guess I have to wait a little longer (Until I have a job) and then I'm going to give it a shot for sure!

      Best of luck in the casino!

      RasTweet
    • mineriva
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      or you can read my blog...about live poker
    • fruktpuff
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      Originally posted by mineriva
      or you can read my blog...about live poker
      I Love minerivas blog, it's super informative and has loads of useful info about live poker!
    • BlueZizou18
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      I'm not a fan of blogs but I actually really enjoyed reading that mate.

      A hobby that has developed into resting on the help of someone's life.

      I bet you felt yourself learning a lot quicker when that scenario came about.

      Keep 'em coming Mineriva.
    • BlueZizou18
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      Referring to your blog Mineriva; do you earn a living from poker then?

      Also, last year I began playing in the casino as I'd just turned 18 and I was going quite frequently and I realised that regardless of how good your own game is, it's always quite vulnerable due to the range of ability at the casino, i.e. some players are really quite poor and some are very good, therefore I found myself constantly changing my game depending on my opponent. I felt like the details that pros pick up on these people don't and so i felt to be successful you had to actually genuinely win the hand with your cards, so if I have a night of poor cards I find it very difficult.

      Does anyone have any advice?
    • eXtremeACE
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      so i felt to be successful you had to actually genuinely win the hand with your cards, so if I have a night of poor cards I find it very difficult.
      Does anyone have any advice?


      Not sure if I understand you correctly, but you're not supposed to win every night after night in a row after all, playing a winning poker is, after all, making less mistakes than your opponents and in the long run, be it online or live game, you'll be a winner..

      So if you have a night of poor cards you can do nothing about it, and just keep playing your A game..

      Best of luck!
    • BlueZizou18
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      Ok cheers mate.

      One of my major weaknesses is finding leaks in my opponents game. Suppose over time I'll develop in these areas but as of right now my reading of my opponents is pretty poor.
      I feel like if I think they're tight then I'll use that against them then suddenly they play something like J 9 when under the gun. It's like the players I play with are that poor they're good ha ha.
    • eXtremeACE
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      Ok cheers mate. One of my major weaknesses is finding leaks in my opponents game. Suppose over time I'll develop in these areas but as of right now my reading of my opponents is pretty poor..

      Hey np mate!

      Listen up, first thing first you need to develop solid foundation! Tells and finding leaks in your opponents game will help you alot to make some marginal spots more +EV, and win more overall, but still you need a solid foundation!

      My suggestion would be to start by sharping up your preflop game first. What format are you playing? IMO, a good thing to have from the start is a solid idea of what starting hands will you be playing from what position...so that you can later make it more looser or tighter depending on who's in hand, what's his image, his raising/calling range, does he limps/fold, limps/calls but plays fit-or-fold and stuff like that..

      then suddenly they play something like J 9 when under the gun.

      Wow, crush them mate! Just tighten up and run over them :D
      And remember, if they're tight - you loosen up and vice-versa..

      Best of luck!
    • BlueZizou18
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      I think my foundation is probably my strongest area. I understand the game pretty well, I mean I think MY play is good enough to be successful at local casinos, it's just my 'leak spotting' that's failing.

      I only play the strongest hands in weak positions and less strong but still good in weaker positions; therefore here I'm pretty strong.

      Referring to you saying 'solid foundation,' what other techniques can improve my foundation?
    • eXtremeACE
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      Referring to you saying 'solid foundation,' what other techniques can improve my foundation?


      First off, you don't have to listen to me, I'm not a guy that makes couple of hundred $$$ per day playing poker (while you can find guys making even more than that here) I'm just a guy who has spent a lot of time studying poker and think I know a thing or two and can offer advice, that's all.. :/

      The way I look at poker is through 2 stages of play: you have preflop and postflop.
      Preflop can easily be learned and nowadays a lot of people who plays online can download SHC, read a few tips and play somewhat(!) solid preflop.. Postflop is where the real money lies, and it's much, much harder to learn (and master), but that should also be your main goal once you're totally confident in you preflop.



      BUT still, preflop is your gate to the postflop, and it's important to get it down good because a simple mistake like playing easily dominated hands for example when not skilled postflop can hurt you really bad. (ie, "I can try to raise this QJo for 3bb because 3bb is just a tiny % of my stack and it looks good' can cost you a lot later when you're betting 1/2 to 3/4 pot on turn/river and later mucking to villain's AQ after you've had a so-called TPGK on the Qxx board).

      :club: So if you're asking me I would try to learn preflop first, and try to learn it good. Now you said you're good in selecting what hands to play in what position, great. Are you good in 3-betting, stealing the blinds, playing from blinds, reacting to 3bets/4bets..? If so, I would go to postflop.

      :club: When learning the postflop I would start off by learning how to c-bet properly, identify dry vs drawy boards, know when to value bet and when you're behind and are better off folding and things like that.. After you have all that down, I would then try to incorporate reads and then you'll be really crushing the field..

      ** Note, everything I just wrote is from my own opinion/experience + help of reading a LOT of articles and watching a LOT of videos, it may not be correct, so don't take everything I just wrote for granted, there are many, many more qualified people here to help you than I am, I just have time and like helping other guys.. :heart:

      Best regards!
    • kruger32
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      Originally posted by BlueZizou18
      Referring to your blog Mineriva; do you earn a living from poker then?

      ... it's always quite vulnerable due to the range of ability at the casino, i.e. some players are really quite poor and some are very good, therefore I found myself constantly changing my game depending on my opponent.
      Does anyone have any advice?
      You should iso-raise a lot.
      Picking your seat is very important in live games. Ideally weak player should bet after you and TAGs should be betting before you.

      Live play you'll play less hands but you'll be able to gather lots and lots of reads on players. So you might be able to play even a marginal hand well, using all the info. Though, if you have poor hand reading skills; you're giving up a big big potential edge and your foundation for live games is pretty shaky. :s_cry:

      Do you use hand-ranges? If not; you don't have a big edge over your poor opponents. You are not a solid player. (Neither are a lot of us. That's why we're in the beginner section of the forum :( )Pick up "Hole Card Confessions" by Owen Gaines. Or subscribe to Deuces Cracked and watch the series the Maths of Holdem. Particularly the TUPAC method for calculating equity against opponents' hand ranges.
      (Use your credit card to get a free trial. Download all the videos you can within one week. You can download a lot of videos. Cancel the subscription.) :s_cool:

      About the foundations,
      Foundation for Poker :
      1)Pre flop hand selection
      2)Calculating odds and outs and making +EV decisions
      3)Reading opponents and using hand ranges to calculate equity. Combine with step 2 to make solid decisions.

      These are I believe the Fundamentals of Poker.
      We are all striving to improve on these areas.

      Can you play marginal hands well?
      Do you find yourself in lots of tough decisions on the flop?

      If you answered 1) No / 2) Yes : Improve step 1.

      Even when you're tight and playing solid pre-flop poker are your opponents forcing you to make tough decisions post flop? Or you're winning money but are afraid that you're giving up a lot of profit playing tight.
      Improve Step 2

      Are you afraid you're not squeezing every last bit of EV out of the game; and you can crush these players?
      Improve step 3

      Of course it does not follow exactly this way. You should be focusing on all the areas. But in the beginning it's good to follow this.

      How well can you calculate complex odds and make the mathematically most optimal decision for any given situation? Or do you rely on gut-feeling?
      If you're not too experienced, don't rely on gut-feelings.
      Learn the math behind the game. Get a good book like "Poker math that matters" and maybe even "The Mathematics of Poker"

      Once you're confident in your hand-reading and complicated equity calculations, you can open up your range. Beware though, I think, it takes a large increase in post-flop skills to open of pre-flop ranges.

      Considering this advice is coming out of a player who is currently losing in the LOWEST (that's right Lowest) Limit games and you seem to be making $$, it might not be too useful. But I've tried too improve a lot too and just telling you what I know.

      Also, if you think you want to improve your Post-Flop; play limit holdem. Howard Lerder recommends it. Part of the reason why I suck so much at Limit Holdem is my bad bad post-flop skills.

      Just my 2 cents.
    • BlueZizou18
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      Wow, cheers guys.

      I love getting such different perspectives on the game from all over the world, that's what makes this website so good.

      My next live tournament is on Monday, £50 bank holiday special. Should be around 50 players, so hopefully with all of your help, I can win!

      I'll let you know how I do guys.