[NL2-NL10] did i play it right?

    • romcey
      romcey
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.05.2012 Posts: 62
      the problem with this hand... i think i didn't bet right, because i gave them a chance to hit a flush or straight.

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BB: $2.13
      UTG: $1.42
      MP: $4.89
      CO: $1.36
      Hero (BTN): $2.18
      SB: $1.95

      SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

      Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q:diamond: Q:spade:

      UTG raises to $0.04, fold, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.10

      Flop: ($0.35, 2 players) T:club: K:heart: 6:club:
      CO checks, Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

      Turn: ($0.55, 2 players) 8:diamond:
      CO checks, Hero bets $0.15, CO calls $0.15

      River: ($0.85, 2 players) 9:club:
      CO checks, Hero checks

      CO shows A:diamond: J:club: (High Card, Ace) (Pre 29%, Flop 22%, Turn 11%)
      Hero shows Q:diamond: Q:spade: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 71%, Flop 78%, Turn 89%)
      Hero wins $0.82
  • 5 replies
    • EmanuelC16
      EmanuelC16
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.01.2010 Posts: 13,897
      Hi,

      Moved your thread to the evaluation section.

      Manu.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello romcey,

      Preflop: Against a min-raise + a Call you should be also raising bigger here. I'd make it 4x+1x per call, ~$0,20 would be my raise.

      As played
      Postflop: Bet the flop & turn bigger for value. :) If would have raised bigger preflop & bet bigger flop could easily ship the turn.

      Best Regards.
    • romcey
      romcey
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.05.2012 Posts: 62
      ok thanks for the help
    • William340
      William340
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2012 Posts: 170
      I'd like to add some more detail, as I have a lot more free time than veriz. :f_biggrin:

      if we take the pre-flop as-is, there is .35 in the pot. the board has flush draw as well as broadway straight draws.

      when veriz says "bet bigger for value" I am guessing he means 3/4 pot or more, but certainly at least 2/3

      to show why this is important
      your .10 bet into .35 means the pot offers CO 4.5 to 1 (call .10 to win .45)
      if he is on the flush draw there are 38 cards that are not clubs and 9 that are.
      38:9 = ~4.25:1 so you are pricing him in to draw.
      if he is on the open ended straight draw (holding QJ and needing A or 9 it's
      39:8 or ~4.9 to 1, so he is getting close to the right odds from the pot.
      if he is on a gutshot (AJ, AQ, J9, Q9, 98, 97, 87) he "thinks" his odds are 43:4 (but he is sometimes wrong as you hold two Queens)
      so at worse than 10:1 he might fold here.
      or he might decide that .10 is cheap and peel one off.

      2/3 pot is .23 cents
      3/4 pot is .26 cents
      so, lets say you bet .25 instead of .10
      now he has to call .25 to win .60
      the pot is now offering him 2.4:1
      he would be making a mistake to call to see a card here.

      the other advantage of the bigger bet is sort of like compound interest.
      say you bet .25 into .35 and he calls
      now the pot is .85
      he should know that if he calls on the flop & misses the turn, there's a good chance you're going to bet somewhere between .57 (2/3) and .64 cents
      calling here would be the same mistake it was on the flop odds wise, but the price has gone up considerably.

      so, going back to your turn bet
      you bet .15 into .55
      so, he had to call .15 to win 70
      now the pot is offering him 4.67 to 1
      while your turn bet is .05 more than your flop bet, it is actually small in relation to the pot.
      you were offering him even better odds to see another card.

      to go a bit further on the point veriz was making on the pre-flop raise:
      after the blinds, the min-raise & the call there is
      .01+.02+.04+.04 = .11 in the pot.
      when you raise to .14, remember that you are actually calling .04 and raising .10
      however you look at it, the pot is now .25 and it's .10 to call, so they get 2.5 to one.
      it's a bit worse for the blinds, but they get a small "discount" for having the blinds in.
      even if the blinds fold, remember that there's two limpers.
      if UTG had called there would then be .35 in the pot and .10 to call for MP so he gets a better price still.

      now look at it w/ veriz's suggested .20 raise.
      the pot would be .31 and it's .16 to call
      so, you are
      1) offering them worse odds to come along
      2) increasing your chances of ending the pot pre-flop, which is never a bad thing.
      3) building a bigger pot for your premium pair
    • romcey
      romcey
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      Joined: 16.05.2012 Posts: 62
      thanks i don't know why i gave him a chance to hit a flush thanks silly mistake thanks again.