[NL2-NL10] NL4 SB Hero KK vs UTG2 TAG villain AI

  • 4 replies
    • mrbeer9999
      Joined: 11.12.2010 Posts: 182
      Getting it in pre here is pretty much mandatory if you can. Effective stacks are 45bb and you have 2nd nuts.

      With QQ it's tricky, I would say this guy is going to get it in with JJ+/AK or tighter because he's such a complete nit in which case you can fold pre. Generally with this stack size I would try to get it in though because shorties normally stack off wider, say TT+/AK/AQs or looser again in which case we are fine.

      Against the same stats fullstacked if he opened UTG+2 I probably just call pre instead of 3betting and set mine because he has such a tight range. So I'd check-fold most flops to aggression and stab turn on most boards if he checked it back.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello marozet,

      Welcome to the English NL Hand Evaluation Forum! Hopefully we will see more hands from you in the future. I hope that with our help you can improve your play and as well move up the limits. We will be waiting for the next hands and till that good luck on tables!

      Add to full stack if you playing BSS. But otherwise never-ever folding this! It's even a leak if you would do that.

      Try copying different style. :) There should be an option to pick different converting type in HM2.

      Best Regards.
    • marozet
      Joined: 31.05.2012 Posts: 8
      Thanks for your responses.
      I've done some calculation and it seems that initially calling vs 3betting here against this villain would be better. What do you think?

      Let's consider his initial raise. I would put him on { TT+, AJs+, AQo+ }

             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG+2  32.41%  31.26%   1.15% { TT+, AJs+, AQo+ }
      SB     67.59%  66.45%   1.15% { KK }

      Let's consider BB. If I raise then he will only get in with QQ+ which is 1,4%.

             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG+2  22.80%  21.61%   1.20% { AA, QQ-TT, KhKc, AJs+, AQo+ }
      SB     37.08%  33.80%   3.29% { KdKs }
      BB     40.11%  36.74%   3.38% { QQ+ }

      And we will go all-in. So in 1,4% EV=0,24

      For the other 98,6% let's consider UTG only. Looking at his stack size and his stats let's put him on MSS. Then UTG+2 folds in 48/61 combos (all below QQ+). That's EV=0,22 for me in 77,6%. For other 13/61 villain hands we'll go AI for EV=0,68.

      Those 3 cases result in combined EV=0,318.

      If I call here then looking at BB with VPIP:25 he will also call with 25% of his hands which can give trouble in some flops and will lower my equity:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG+2  26.79%  25.70%   1.09% { TT+, AJs+, AQo+ }
      SB     55.79%  54.87%   0.93% { KK }
      BB     17.42%  16.88%   0.54% { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

      We get more money into the pot however. The actual 25% BB hands may differ so let's assume our equity at 55%. Let's also assume that we will manage to get UTG+2 all-in and BB to call it. That means that the pot will be 5,43. Hero has to put 1,79. That would mean EV=1,20 in 25% of cases if it would be AI with all those hands. This is not the case so let's go with EV=0,7 here. When BB folds probably something like EV=0,32 in 75% of cases. This results in EV=0,42.

      That gave me an idea to write a simulator for different scenarios with predefined villain strategies:) . Like what % of flops will you fold, and so on...

      Calling here is definitely more tricky but maybe it's more correct in this situation.

      Such a simple hand and it can get so complicated:)
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      What? I am not gonna check any calculations here, super-easy 3bet/Broke and no other way to play it. You ain't even 100BB!