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[NL2-NL10] nl2 hero AQo

    • MeAmor22
      MeAmor22
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2011 Posts: 4,247
      Hy,
      Party, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP1: $0.68 (34 bb)
      BTN: $1.22 (61 bb)
      MP2: $2.53 (126.5 bb)
      CO: $3.26 (163 bb)
      UTG+2: $2 (100 bb)
      Hero (UTG+1): $2.05 (102.5 bb)
      BB: $4.52 (226 bb)
      MP3: $0.58 (29 bb)
      SB: $2 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q A
      Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.14, 5 folds

      Results:
      $0.19 pot
      MP3 mucked and won $0.19 ($0.11 net)

      1)My fold is ok or I should have called his reraise?
      Ty
  • 8 replies
    • Musematte
      Musematte
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.05.2012 Posts: 89
      I think it was an ok fold. Because if he is a tight player he would only raise with hands that has you dominated or hands that gives you a coinflip.

      Following the BBS starting hand chart a raise is either TT - AA or AK
      Starting Hands Chart (BBS)

      He also had position on you, making it hard to play post-flop
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello MeAmor22,

      Against his stack as I am opening such hands from UTG I'd just ship it. He isn't even playing with full stack and unless he was really tight I would just ship it cause I assume the guy could easily have a lot worse hands in his range.

      Best Regards.
    • Musematte
      Musematte
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.05.2012 Posts: 89
      I cant really understand the thought process behind going all-in. It seems like you automaticaly assumes that he has a bad hand because he has a low stack. Yes, he is probably bad, you can tell based on the size of the reraise and his small stack, but even if he is a bad player he can still have good hands.

      Let me ask a question; If he had a 2$ stack, would you have reraised all-in?

      Going all-in just just seems like a very uncertan desicion.
      And i also get the feeling that he is trying to lure us in. A bet so small can never work as a bluff. The bet might mean that he has some hand like ATs and he thinks its a little bit good and reraises with a small raise.

      I guess it is just like many other hands in poker, that it is based on the read you have of the oponent. But still i don't think you should underestimate a player just because he has a low stack.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Why would I want to go all-in vs $2? I would just call his min-raise and play postflop while against his stack it's not that easy and we don't get the implied odds.

      Because I assume that usually not fully stacked players ain't thinking players unless they prove something else to me. :) Neither the min-raise doesn't make sense.
    • Musematte
      Musematte
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.05.2012 Posts: 89
      Yes, you have some good points, but i still want to go more deeply in to this. :]

      I will try to compare different situations accordingly to what kind of player we are facing. And at the end draw a conclusion.

      1) He is a loose agressive player and also a calling station:

      Actions:
      - He will reraise with weak hands
      - He will call with all the weak hands

      His reraising range is in this picture: http://i45.tinypic.com/2vmu2c4.jpg

      Equity:
      Equity Win Tie
      Hero 60.72% 58.52% 2.20% { AcQc }
      Villain 39.28% 37.07% 2.20% { 22+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A8o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

      Out of 10,000 hands the profit will be:
      Win = 6072 * 1,16$ = 7043,52$
      Loss = 3928* -1,16$ = - 4556,48$

      Total: 2487,04$


      2) He is a loose agressive player, but capable of folding the worst hands:

      Actions:
      - He will raise with weak hands
      - He will fold weak hands to a all-in

      The reraise range is the same as last time but here is his calling range to an all-in:
      http://i49.tinypic.com/6tfcbo.jpg

      He will fold 40 of 58 times giving us:
      Win = 6896,55 *0,22$ = 1517,24$

      He will call 18 of 58 times and then the equity is this:

      Equity Win Tie
      Hero 51.05% 45.88% 5.18% { AcQc }
      Villan 48.95% 43.77% 5.18% { 77+, ATs+, KJs+, AJo+, KQo }

      Win = 1567,24 * 1,16$ = 1818$
      Loss= 1519,14 * -1,16$ = -1762,2$

      Total: 1573,04$


      3) Tight player:

      Actions:
      - He will raise good hands
      - He will call all-in with the same hands

      The reraise range is according to the BSS starting hand chart:
      http://i50.tinypic.com/2uhl8nq.jpg

      Equity Win Tie
      Hero 34.36% 33.42% 0.94% { AcQc }
      Villain 65.64% 64.70% 0.94% { TT+, AKs, AKo }


      Win = 3436 * 1,16$ = 3985,76$
      Loss = 6564 * -1,16$ = -7614,24$

      Total: -3628,48$


      Coparison:
      Reraising all-in when he is a a terrible player: + 2477,76$
      Reraising all-in when he is a bit loose but is able of folding: + 1573,04$
      Reraising all-in when he playes decent: -3628,5$

      Conlusion:
      We can see that we have to move all-in against more than two bad players everytime we meet a good player. Although you play agains a terrible player: reraising with Q8s, A2s and calling all-in you still dont earn more than you lose against a tight player.

      I usually follow the rule: better to be the safe than sorry and this is a decision that is kind of edgy to me, therefore i want to fold.

      Comment: My calculations can be wrong, so feel free to recalculate.
      I am new to this game, so i dont know all there is about different kinds of odds and plays. If i miss some important thing like then please tell me how much it would effect the decision and so on.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Well, we could just ask a basic questions:
      1) Is he fully stacked? - No, so he is a bad player.
      2) Is he raising normally? - No, he doesn't even know what raise size to use.

      Those are just few questions I already asked and got negative answer. What makes you think he is tight? :)
    • Musematte
      Musematte
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.05.2012 Posts: 89
      My thoughts:
      - I agree with you that he is a bad player
      - you cant automaticaly say he is super loose
      - If his reraising range is tight you lose alot, if it is loose you win a little
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Musematte
      My thoughts:
      - I agree with you that he is a bad player
      - you cant automaticaly say he is super loose
      - If his reraising range is tight you lose alot, if it is loose you win a little
      I didn't say that he is super-loose but from the questions I asking myself I am assuming that it's the case.

      How comes we win only a little? You did do the calculations yourself even and prove that we win enough of money there.