[NL2-NL10] NL10 Was my All-In on the turn the right move?

    • Cersei
      Cersei
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.04.2008 Posts: 29
      Party Poker, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 10 Players
      Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

      SB: $13.53 (135.3 bb)
      BB: $12.79 (127.9 bb)
      UTG: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $10.03 (100.3 bb)
      UTG+2: $2.11 (21.1 bb)
      MP1: $9.90 (99 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $2.20 (22 bb)
      MP3: $10.47 (104.7 bb)
      CO: $12.73 (127.3 bb)
      BTN: $6.72 (67.2 bb)

      Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.95) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

      Turn: ($2.35) K (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.10 and is all-in, BTN folds
  • 8 replies
    • igel2006
      igel2006
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.09.2006 Posts: 3,255
      Yes,

      - You have to call a bet either giving you 3,1. Betting by itself gives you additional fold equity!
      - Ace High and even the J might be good. Your opponent has no K (in most of the cases) and a Q would have said 'Hello'.
    • xylere
      xylere
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.05.2007 Posts: 2,939
      ^^
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,966
      Apparently igel2006 and xylere missed it, but you shouldn't play AJ from middle position.

      @xylere: Why can you push the turn with 4 outs for a straight draw and only one overcard?

      I think a big part of Villains range is Ax, this means if the A falls, it will be a split pot. So you only have 4 outs for the straight.
      On the turn you can only have the better hand when Villain holds low SC or when he holds Ax with a lower kicker.

      I think you have a trash hand on the turn.
    • igel2006
      igel2006
      Bronze
      Joined: 17.09.2006 Posts: 3,255
      Yes, that raise in Mp2 is not a standard move.

      But again: Your opponent could have a draw or a pocket. Against this range your AJ (10 Outs and perhaps already showdown value) is quite enough. You just need a equity of 32%.
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,966
      May I ask where you get the 10 outs from?
      Straight: 4
      Top pair (aces): 3

      You also want to add 3 outs for the J?
      Once again, I doubt you can get 10 outs on this board..

      Ok, I agree, he can also have a low pp or SC, but still..
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,966
      Ok, when I came home I insert this hand in PokerStove.
      I hope I give Villain a correct range here:

      Board: 3s Kh Qh Kc
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 62.255% 55.94% 06.31% 3889 439.00 { AcJd }
      Hand 1: 37.745% 31.43% 06.31% 2185 439.00 { 99-22, A9s-A2s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A9o-A2o }


      So you're right, you've got more than enough equity here to push the turn.
      However, I didn't include any hands where he might hold a K or Q here...
      If I do that, you'll get this:

      Board: 3s Kh Qh Kc
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 44.253% 40.73% 03.52% 3441 297.50 { AcJd }
      Hand 1: 55.747% 52.23% 03.52% 4412 297.50 { 99-22, A9s-A5s, KTs-K6s, Q7s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, A9o-A5o, KTo-K8o, Q9o+ }


      I'm rather new with PokerStove, so I would be really happy if somebody could tell me if I'm using the right range here.
      And if not, if somebody could please tell me where I went wrong.
      Thank you!
    • xylere
      xylere
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.05.2007 Posts: 2,939
      you just figured out the equity against given range
      however, you should adjust your range according to the action
      first of all, i don't think he is often calling hands like K6s and so many suited connectors
      then he will fold/reraise part of his range to our cbet
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,966
      lol, what kind of hand would you call the flop with, but fold the turn with?
      It's kinda guessing on NL10, people can play with ATC...

      But this equity calculation at least made clear to me that AJ is rather strong right now...