[NL20-NL50] NL 25 SH - game planning

    • hrabia72
      hrabia72
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.08.2010 Posts: 429
      Button (£25)
      SB (£18.15)
      BB (£25.70)
      Hero (UTG) (£30.26)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, J
      Hero bets £0.60, Button calls £0.60, 2 folds

      Flop: (£1.55) 7, 4, 10 (2 players)
      Hero bets £1.25, Button raises to £3.75, Hero calls £2.50

      Turn: (£9.05) 3 (2 players)
      Hero bets £5.50, Button raises to £20.65 (All-In), Hero calls ??



      FLOP: This is his first raise vs Cbet so assume he is rather strong than weak. I called oop becouse i got odds call (need 28%) and my euity is:

      Stół: 7:heart: 4:heart: T:club:
             Equity  Wygrana  Podział
      MP2    33.43%   33.43%    0.00% { Jh9h }
      MP3    66.57%   66.57%    0.00% { TT, 77, 44, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, 6h5h }

      I don't like 3b flop becouse he would ship with better fd like AThh/65hh/KThh and trips so not happy about that.

      TURN: I hit flush and i dont want to give him a free card becouse i think he could chech back turn with trips so I donkbet and got raised

      Stół: 7:heart: 4:heart: T:club:  3:heart:
             Equity  Wygrana  Podział
      MP2    53.48%   53.48%    0.00% { Jh9h }
      MP3    46.52%   46.52%    0.00% { TT, 77, 44, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, 6h5h }


      1) Is he going to ship turn with better flush instead of calling it and ship it on river? I dont think so
      2) What range he can raise me with ? he's WWSF=41 Do you add ATo/KTo/JJ
      3) vs aggresive player I would add him more fd, maybe a combination of 98/56 which he can barrel turns that complete flush or str8

      Stół: 7:heart: 4:heart: T:club:  3:heart:
             Equity  Wygrana  Podział
      MP2    65.22%   65.22%    0.00% { Jh9h }
      MP3    34.78%   34.78%    0.00% { TT, 77, 44, 98s, 65s, AhQh, KhQh, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, AhTd, AhTs, AhTc, KhTd, KhTs, KhTc }

      What do you think ?

      GAME PLAN
      Also I would like to find leaks in my game plan :
      We can assume that my CO range is


      I Cbet ( about 40% - 114 combo):
      - 24 combo OP = AA-JJ
      - 9 combo set = TT/77/44
      - 54 combo TP = AT/KT/QT/JT oraz T9s/T8s
      - 24 combo fd
      - 12 combo OESD = 98s/86s/65s

      Do you cbet this kind of hands (in which cases)?? :
      - 2OC+ BDFD like : AKcc / QJcc.....
      - others BDFD like = A9cc/A9cc/A3cc
      - 2nd pair like 99/88
      - 2nd pair like 7x = A7/97/87/76/75 ( wszystkie czy tylko 2nd pair+BDFD A7cc/97cc itd)

      I understand that this is a big topic, and our strategy depends on the opponent, his Fold to Cbet, his range etc but I count on some sort of discussion.
      Do you Cbet something more or less of my Cbet range and how do you approach the potential Cbetting range ( 2OC+BDFD,2nd pair and so on)

      It seems to me that on such a flop i dont rep much so if my opponent is aggresive player he would raise my Cbet often. When he raise like this spot he need (3,75/3,75+1,25+1,55) 57% FEq right ? (ofc he has some kind of equity whit his hand )
      57% * 114 combo=65 so when i Cbet/fold 65combo he could raise my Cbet with ATC. What do Cbet/call and Cbet/fold range?

      vs passive

      Cbet/3b = sets
      Cbet/call = odds 28%

      Stół: 7:heart: 4:heart: T:club:
             Equity  Wygrana  Podział
      MP3    68.80%   68.80%    0.00% { TT, 77, 44 }
      BU     31.20%   31.20%    0.00% { AhKh, AhQh, KhQh, AhJh, KhJh, QhJh, AhTh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, Ah7h, 8h6h, 6h5h, Ah4h }

      vs aggro

      Cbet/3b = OP (JJ+) , TPTK =AT, sets, 2OC+FD
      Cbet/call = KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Jh9h, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 8h6h, 6h5h

      If he is passive player we can vbet our 2nd pair vs his draws ?
  • 3 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello hrabia72,

      Before talking about CB or not but your thoughts are correct when to CB. But why can't you represent much? You are still raising from UTG - in this case CO of course but overall your move should be strong.

      Nor I don't see any solution here to Check/Call or anything, even if the guy is aggressive. If he is super-aggressive then he can't represent much either here and I might even go over the top and just 3bet with my draw in those spots if I have some dynamics.

      But otherwise as played I'd ask you what are the thoughts about donking the turn when FD completes? You don't even allow him continue with bluffs. Also afterwards the question for hero either to Call down or not should be super-easy, I would never see myself folding when I did hit my hand while Calling the flop.

      If I missed any specific questions then let me know.

      Best Regards.
    • hrabia72
      hrabia72
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.08.2010 Posts: 429
      1)
      I'd ask you what are the thoughts about donking the turn when FD completes?

      I didnt want to give him a free card on turn. I expect that he could check back turn with trips on this turn.
      Secondly I was thinking that this is kinda weird (confusing) line and he could make bigger mistake. He expect me to ch/c or ch/r turn when i catch my hand. Think ch/r turn looks strong and he can fold trips or AT/KT type of hands or just check back turn. Dont know I level him or myself ;P

      2)
      If he is passive player we can vbet our 2nd pair vs his draws ?


      3)
      Do you cbet this kind of hands (in which cases)?? :
      - 2OC+ BDFD like : AKcc / QJcc.....
      - others BDFD like = A9cc/A9cc/A3cc -
      2nd pair like 99/88
      - 2nd pair like 7x = A7/97/87/76/75 ( all of them or just 2nd pair+BDFD A7cc/97cc itd)


      4)
      When he raise like this spot he need (3,75/3,75+1,25+1,55) 57% FEq right ? (ofc he has some kind of equity whit his hand ) 57% * 114 combo=65 so when i Cbet/fold 65combo he could raise my Cbet with ATC. So when I continue >49 combo I am not expoited
      - 9 sets
      - 24 OP - AA-JJ
      - 12 TPTK - ATs/ATo
      - 6 2OC+FD - AKhh...QJhh
      - 4 combo draws J9 :heart: :heart: , 98 :heart: :heart: ,86 :heart: :heart: ,65 :heart: :heart:
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      If he is passive player we can vbet our 2nd pair vs his draws ?

      Why shouldn't we? We would most likely need to protect our hand.

      Do you cbet this kind of hands (in which cases)??

      Once again depends as always in poker, against what player we are, what kind of image we have, against what kind of stack we are. :) It's possible and at the same time could be rather a give-up spot with some backdoors at some point.

      When he raise like this spot he need (3,75/3,75+1,25+1,55) 57% FEq right ?

      Yes, he needs that amount of fold equity. But either what kind of range to put you on isn't going to be easy cause we don't know how you play .