[NL20-NL50] Sh Nl20

    • Kosand
      Kosand
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.04.2009 Posts: 21
      Hi, I need help with this hand:

      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $30.72 (153.6 bb)
      SB: $13.76 (68.8 bb)
      BB: $21.62 (108.1 bb)
      Hero (MP): $20 (100 bb)
      CO: $6.76 (33.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A A
      Hero raises to $0.60, CO calls $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, 2 folds

      Flop: ($2.10) 3 Q 4 (3 players)
      Hero bets $1.57, CO folds, BTN raises to $3.14, Hero raises to $5.80, BTN raises to $30.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.60 and is all-in

      Turn: ($40.90) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($40.90) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $40.90 pot ($2.04 rake)
      Final Board: 3 Q 4 5 J
      BTN showed 4 4 and won $38.86 ($18.86 net)
      Hero mucked A A and lost (-$20 net)
      CO mucked and lost (-$0.60 net)



      BTN player's stats: Vpip 32%, PFR 20%, Post flop agression factor 1.9, raise on flop 6%, won when raised on flop 57%, Won at showdown 49%, I have 10k hands with him.

      What do you think? Did I make a mistake?
  • 7 replies
    • EnterG
      EnterG
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      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 632
      The first minireraise of your opponent could mean : TP or flushdraw.Usually people do this with these cards.At first i wonder : if he had a set there i think he would reraise bigger.But you know the opponent better.

      But when opponent shoves ... All the hands with which he could shove with this AF i think are :

      a) sets (mostly)
      b)flushdraw possible the nuts one.

      So if you do this in equilab (i hope you use it in these kind of situations) you can simply find the answer on your own.


      Board: 4:heart: Q:club: 3:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP3    36.47%  36.25%   0.22% { AhAs }
      BU     63.53%  63.32%   0.22% { QQ, 44-33, KcAc, QcAc, JcAc, TcAc, 9cAc, 8cAc, 7cAc, 6cAc, 5cAc, 4cAc, 3cAc, 2cAc }


      So i think you have an easy fold to a shove . If you have 10k hands you should know how he plays his sets on flop.If he make different plays then is more difficult.You should make a note of this play and maybe next time call a reraise on flop and make a new decision on turn.If you did that maybe he would be afraid of the flush and not continue and play for a small pot both.

      IMO ...
    • Kosand
      Kosand
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.04.2009 Posts: 21
      Thanks for helping.
      Yes, it seems I should have folded to his shove but he can be fishy I think. Maybe he could do all in and with KcXc, 56(s), A2o, AA, KK. Maybe he could be tilting too. His vpip and won at showdown shows that he is a bad player. When my equity is so close ( about 33.25% and needed is 36.25) maybe I could call? Do you have any thoughts about that?


      Maybe time telling would have helped to decide what he had?
    • EnterG
      EnterG
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      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 632
      You can't calculate the odds so much in detail when you are playing.
      When you are behind in the long run you will lose.But when you are this close i think is ok.You can check the hand in more detail with equilab.
    • iambanker
      iambanker
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      Joined: 28.06.2011 Posts: 5,519
      [quote][i]

      Board: 4:heart: Q:club: 3:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP3    36.47%  36.25%   0.22% { AhAs }
      BU     63.53%  63.32%   0.22% { QQ, 44-33, KcAc, QcAc, JcAc, TcAc, 9cAc, 8cAc, 7cAc, 6cAc, 5cAc, 4cAc, 3cAc, 2cAc }


      So i think you have an easy fold to a shove . [/quote]It is not fold in my opinion. We get the right price, we have 36% equity against this range and after our 3bet we have odds to call, 13.60/40.90 = 33.25%. Ofc we have to subtract rake, but still we are doing at least BE call.

      Another thing is that I do not agree with range you assigned to him. We could suppose that he 3bet QQ/AK a lot of time preflop, so at least we have to discount some of QQ. I see his range something like this:

      Board: 4:heart: Q:club: 3:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP2    45.61%  45.32%   0.30% { AhAs }
      MP3    54.39%  54.09%   0.30% { 44-33, QhQs, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, 6c5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs }


      Mby we should also discount some of A :club: x :club: which he just flats sometimes.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Kosand,

      You have pointed out few things yourself already which make rather less likely to go broke there. Raise CB is really small + the combo of W$SD when raised Flop which pretty high. Therefore I'd be towards Bet/Folding.

      There is no such option as 3bet/Fold here, it would be waste of money, if you assuming you are ahead then go for the 3bet/Broke or either just Bet/Fold it.

      Best Regards.
    • Mon3yMaChin3
      Mon3yMaChin3
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.03.2011 Posts: 273
      Originally posted by EnterG
      The first minireraise of your opponent could mean : TP or flushdraw.Usually people do this with these cards.At first i wonder : if he had a set there i think he would reraise bigger.But you know the opponent better.

      But when opponent shoves ... All the hands with which he could shove with this AF i think are :

      a) sets (mostly)
      b)flushdraw possible the nuts one.

      So if you do this in equilab (i hope you use it in these kind of situations) you can simply find the answer on your own.


      Board: 4:heart: Q:club: 3:club:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      MP3    36.47%  36.25%   0.22% { AhAs }
      BU     63.53%  63.32%   0.22% { QQ, 44-33, KcAc, QcAc, JcAc, TcAc, 9cAc, 8cAc, 7cAc, 6cAc, 5cAc, 4cAc, 3cAc, 2cAc }


      So i think you have an easy fold to a shove . If you have 10k hands you should know how he plays his sets on flop.If he make different plays then is more difficult.You should make a note of this play and maybe next time call a reraise on flop and make a new decision on turn.If you did that maybe he would be afraid of the flush and not continue and play for a small pot both.

      IMO ...
      congratulations very good analysis, when the i first saw the hand i say easy shove with aa.But i read your analysis and say you are correct fold is good way here.Ty you help me an my hand in future!
    • EnterG
      EnterG
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      Joined: 26.01.2010 Posts: 632
      My analysis is wrong given the situation as played as member "iamwanker" mention above.As veriz says b/f or 3b/broke there.
      Given the pot odds you should call as played .
      Better take my example when opponent reraise=shove.

      EnterG