# Pot odds always not profitable??

• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
I just learned how to calculate pot odds to winning odds. But if i'm gonna make a "profitable call" i won't ever call a draw because almost all people i play against including myself always bet 1/2 - 3/4 of the pot. i'm shure there is i simple answer to this. appreciate all answers. thanks!
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• Bronze
Joined: 17.01.2011
implied odds.

how much extra monies do you expect to win when you hit your draw?
being in position helps, also straight draws are generally more disguised than flush draws
• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
correct me if i'm wrong. Lets say i have and open ended straight draw on the flop. The pot is 3000. the opponent bets 1000.
Winning odds is 5.1 and pot odds is 3.1 = fold. Right?
• Bronze
Joined: 02.11.2008
you have to call 1000 to win 4000 thats 3000 in the pot plus the 1000 he bet

you have 8 outs to hit your draw

• Bronze
Joined: 01.04.2009
Originally posted by hvard92
correct me if i'm wrong. Lets say i have and open ended straight draw on the flop. The pot is 3000. the opponent bets 1000.
Winning odds is 5.1 and pot odds is 3.1 = fold. Right?
If you raise/shove, you are semi-bluffing and lack of odds is still there, but if you put him on weak range, and you think you have enough fold equity-it can be profitable.

If you just call, you need to believe that his range is strong or that he is stubborn with his holding and that he will pay you of if you hit your draw. That is implied odds.

Otherwise, your call is a mathematical mistake.
• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
drawing odds 5.1 and pot odds 4.1 = fold because the pot odds most be greater than the drawing odds?
• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
alright. guess i must study more on implied odds aswell then. thanks!
• Bronze
Joined: 02.11.2008
if both odds are the same you not going to lose money so its neutral

does he cbet alot and give up on turn? (you get a free turn card)
there is a ton of other stuff you could take into consideration but i would just stick to the very basics for now and make yourself aware of equity, odds, outs, and implied odds
• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
i'm gonna take note of what you said thanks. But did i understand the pot odds to drawing odds? the drawing odds was 5.1 and pot odds was 4.1?
• Bronze
Joined: 02.11.2008
Originally posted by hvard92
i'm gonna take note of what you said thanks. But did i understand the pot odds to drawing odds? the drawing odds was 5.1 and pot odds was 4.1?
correct
• Bronze
Joined: 27.09.2009
Thanks for all the help in here guys.
• Bronze
Joined: 26.12.2009
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• Bronze
Joined: 15.02.2012
Thanks. i will take a look on it.
• Bronze
Joined: 03.12.2010
Originally posted by hvard92
Thanks. i will take a look on it.
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