Ongame bot or just tilt?

    • circoflax
      circoflax
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      Joined: 26.02.2010 Posts: 413
      I played 2 hands out of the BB against the same SB guy, 2 rotations apart, and the result was pretty much the same. He has rather tight stats for a shortstacker so his move here makes even less sense. Normally he plays 10/6/1 over 500 hands, but I noticed he steals 40% from SB, so I decided to resteal with decent hands, expecting him to fold a lot. He shoved both times and there was no way I was gonna fold to his stack. Both times he showed really -EV hands. I mean is he bluffing here expecting me to fold? I think he has really bad equity with both hands if he's expecting a call, which he should.

      Is this guy on tilt or just a bad programmed bot?
      Here are the hands:

      On Game, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $22.80 (45.6 bb)
      BTN: $51.66 (103.3 bb)
      SB: $17 (34 bb)
      Hero (BB): $68.85 (137.7 bb)
      MP1: $127.61 (255.2 bb)
      MP2: $50.46 (100.9 bb)
      MP3: $14.07 (28.1 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
      5 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $17 and is all-in, Hero calls $10

      SB showed 6 Q







      On Game, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $52.65 (105.3 bb)
      BTN: $50 (100 bb)
      SB: $16.79 (33.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $52.25 (104.5 bb)
      UTG+1: $83.32 (166.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $50 (100 bb)
      MP1: $63.34 (126.7 bb)
      MP2: $58.87 (117.7 bb)
      MP3: $53.58 (107.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A T
      7 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, SB raises to $16.79 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.79

      SB showed K 7
  • 8 replies
    • CallumN
      CallumN
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      Joined: 04.01.2012 Posts: 1,141
      The guy obviously doesn't like money
    • pleno1
      pleno1
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      Joined: 19.11.2010 Posts: 5,596
      Hey,

      He probably just had a really bad run and started tilting and trying to win some flips. If anything this shows that he is NOT an Ongame Bot as bots don't have emotions.

      I certainly wouldn't complain about this guy if I was you...

    • mineriva
      mineriva
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      Joined: 30.04.2008 Posts: 913
      What is your 3 bet and fold to 4 bet in the BB vs SB?

      You need about 30% equity to call his 4 bet. If you fold to 4 bet is more than 66% his shove may be +ev.

      All I am trying to say is maybe he has some reason for his play. We cannot simply assume he is bad.
    • circoflax
      circoflax
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      Joined: 26.02.2010 Posts: 413
      Originally posted by mineriva
      What is your 3 bet and fold to 4 bet in the BB vs SB?
      Very good point, I may fold a lot to 4bets in that spot, but against fullstacked players. Once I 3bet a shortstacker, and especially to that amount, I am never ever folding.

      This was exactly my point, maybe it's a bot who used my fold to 4bet stat in that spot, not taking into consideration that he is playing short.
    • Hackett77
      Hackett77
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      Joined: 02.02.2009 Posts: 372
      im sure even the most basic bots would also factor in stack sizes as well as 4b% so obviously this is just a short stack recreational player who doesnt understand/care about stack sizes/fold equity but likes to make baller moves and gamble.
    • Heffron89
      Heffron89
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      Joined: 23.01.2009 Posts: 813
      Why are you restealing so big against a really short stack?
    • MatejM47
      MatejM47
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      Joined: 21.01.2010 Posts: 1,193
      Originally posted by circoflax
      Originally posted by mineriva
      What is your 3 bet and fold to 4 bet in the BB vs SB?
      Very good point, I may fold a lot to 4bets in that spot, but against fullstacked players. Once I 3bet a shortstacker, and especially to that amount, I am never ever folding.

      This was exactly my point, maybe it's a bot who used my fold to 4bet stat in that spot, not taking into consideration that he is playing short.
      That's right out retarded. Your betsize in this spot should be 5$ not 7$ which is so obviously commiting and your strait out telling him you'll never fold. You might as well just shove. Your play in both hands is just horrible.
    • masdhika
      masdhika
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      Joined: 14.07.2012 Posts: 16
      Originally posted by Heffron89
      Why are you restealing so big against a really short stack?
      i'm curious about this too