[NL20-NL50] QQ 4bet on this rate?

    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,868
      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      BTN: $77.91 (389.5 bb)
      SB: $23.39 (117 bb)
      BB: $26.46 (132.3 bb)
      UTG: $12.10 (60.5 bb)
      Hero (MP): $20.35 (101.8 bb)
      CO: $20.55 (102.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.60, 2 folds, SB raises to $2.20, BB folds, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $23.39 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.35 and is all-in

      Flop: ($40.90) 7 8 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($40.90) 5 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($40.90) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Results:
      $40.90 pot ($2.04 rake)
      Final Board: 7 8 3 5 2
      SB showed K K and won $38.86 ($18.51 net)
      Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$20.35 net)


      stats is 30/16/37 and 5.5 3bet.
      On short hand, is it strong enough to 4 bet?
  • 6 replies
    • DailyDollarPro
      DailyDollarPro
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      Joined: 11.07.2011 Posts: 145
      If you were on the button I would 4bet/call with this hand no problem.

      Considering you opened from MP, villain is going to assume your range to be much stronger, so therefore is only going to 3bet with the top of his range.

      Considering villains overall 3bet is only 5.5, I would say his range vs MP may well be only KK+, AK
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Gonchan,

      I'd rather be folding to the 3bet cause doubt that this kind of guy who has so nitty 3bet will have a lot worse hands in his range. JJ or anything similar would most likely from his part just Call and play postflop. Maybe even AK.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Is calling no option?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Is calling no option?
      What do you think he is 3betting you with?
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      AK, QQ+ or maybe AK, JJ+ and ~2combo's bluffs...

      AK are many more combo's than QQ/KK/AA I thought? That's why I'd call and call a cbet on non A/K flops.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      AK, QQ+ or maybe AK, JJ+ and ~2combo's bluffs...

      AK are many more combo's than QQ/KK/AA I thought? That's why I'd call and call a cbet on non A/K flops.
      Doubt that I will be 100% of that range on him cause you just can't. Such a guy vs MP range who has tighter 3betting range could easily even maybe remove 50% of JJ/AK combos. Which will end up us maybe being small % ahead and therefore yes, calling is an option over 4betting and getting it in.