SnG Advanced by helemaalnicks & Unam1337

    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      May14-15 advanced s&g coaching helemaalnicks/Unam

      This coaching started a bit messy, because of some technical issues, which didn't get 100% resolved. I'll clean up my computer asap, because that might have been the problem (several heavy programs running at the same time, on a bad cpu, with a full harddisc). I still hope you enjoyed the coaching, and that you learned something about it. It certainly helped that we were coaching together this time, because we got some live discussion from time to time, which is a good thing.

      interesting hands

      Ok, I know this is advanced coaching, but I just see this question too often in the forum, even on higher limits. What to do with queens @ the early stages when reraised preflop. Well, it's pretty simple... preflop, queens are the nuts. There are times and places to fold them preflop, but without a read, on some random player, this is the way I play them:

      Poker Stars, $25 + $2 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      CO: 1,500
      BTN: 840
      SB: 1,480
      BB: 1,500
      UTG: 2,180
      UTG+1: 1,500
      UTG+2: 1,500
      Hero (MP1): 1,500
      MP2: 1,500

      Pre-Flop: (30) Q:club: Q:spade: dealt to Hero (MP1)
      UTG calls 20, 2 folds, Hero raises to 80, 2 folds, BTN raises to 220, 3 folds, Hero raises to 1,500 and is All-In, BTN calls 620 and is All-In

      Flop: (1,730) J:spade: 4:heart: 9:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Turn: (1,730) 6:diamond: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: (1,730) 8:heart: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: 1,730 Pot
      BTN showed 6:spade: A:diamond: (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-840 NET)
      Hero showed Q:club: Q:spade: (a pair of Queens) and WON 1,730 (+890 NET)J, 4, 9 (9 players)

      I showed results so you can memorize this when you're holding queens yourself. Actually, some players are way tighter then this one, but since there is no way you can find this out, and some players still push AQ, AJ, JJ, TT, any pair, and some even any ace, you can't lay these down on any midstaked, and probably even fairly high staked game.

      This hand is also interesting, because on these limits, you can easily adjust to known regulars, who you know to be good players:

      Poker Stars, $15 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 5 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      SB: 1,595
      Hero (BB): 1,570
      UTG: 5,017
      CO: 3,318
      BTN: 2,000

      Pre-Flop: (425) 9:club: K:heart: dealt to Hero (BB)
      3 folds, SB raises to 1,570 and is All-In, Hero calls 1,345 and is All-In

      I knew this villain to be a ps.com member. Actually, she left the coaching just minutes before this s&g started! I know she is pretty good, but also inexperienced, so I expect her not to adjust to this situation. Therefor I know that she pushes any two cards in this spot, because I actually taught her to do that! Since I'm pretty sure I get pushed by any two, and it's 5handed and the icm tax isn't that bad yet, K9o has enough edge against her range to make the call.

      Plz leave your comment on either the coaching or one of the hands here, and I hope to see you all next week.
  • 46 replies
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      nvm*** you guys both short, it's reasonable if range is 100%
    • sw0ldo
      sw0ldo
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      Joined: 31.07.2007 Posts: 397
      Both look fine imo.
    • CMB
      CMB
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      Joined: 17.02.2007 Posts: 6,448
      post
    • Unam
      Unam
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      Joined: 17.08.2006 Posts: 8,999
      21.05 advanced SNG

      Feedback
      best hands :D

      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

      SB (t10325)
      Hero (t435)
      Button (t2740)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with K[:spade:] , 7[:diamond:] .
      Button calls t400, SB completes, Hero checks.

      Flop: (t1050) 9[:spade:] , 2[:spade:] , 2[:club:] (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

      Turn: (t1050) 4[:club:] (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

      River: (t1050) A[:spade:] (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t400, SB folds, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: t1450


      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $400(BB) Replayer Game#17596439189

      ($3,165)
      ($10,305)
      Hero ($30)

      Dealt to Hero 8:spade: 5:diamond:

      fold, raises to $3,140, fold,

      wins $875
    • MulleKGB01
      MulleKGB01
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      Joined: 06.09.2007 Posts: 1,785
      nice coaching, I'd allways recommend it.
    • DerNautz
      DerNautz
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      Joined: 12.03.2008 Posts: 2,365
      i like ur 'steps' play!
    • Hansshi
      Hansshi
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      Joined: 07.02.2007 Posts: 700
      post teh 10$ fold!
    • eckMcJack
      eckMcJack
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      Joined: 13.04.2006 Posts: 149
      it was a really good coaching.

      The reasons about ICM were good explained.

      but now I'm very tired so I will edit my post tomorrow and expand it.
    • Zeezout
      Zeezout
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 13,120
      I also really like your coachings.

      The explenation about ICM was very good, since I seem to misunderstood it all the way.

      Looking forward to the next one

      Z.
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      id push the flop on hand 1, have seen FE before there.

      id push hand 2 quickly, because i think a push is actually +ev and ++++++++++++++++++++++ev$
    • Unam
      Unam
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      Joined: 17.08.2006 Posts: 8,999
      Hand 1: never fold QQ preflop ;)
      Hand 2: against >80% it is a easy call
    • TribunCaesar
      TribunCaesar
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      Joined: 29.04.2007 Posts: 13,264
      Nice review Nicks. :)

      TribunCaesar
    • eckMcJack
      eckMcJack
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      you said, someone wins a privatcoaching or something else for posting in this thread... who is the winner?
    • Unam
      Unam
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      29/5


      Who can find the fish in the following hand?




      SB (t960)
      BB (t2865)
      UTG (t1590)
      UTG+1 (t2195)
      MP1 (t1450)
      MP2 (t2135)
      CO (t1210)
      Hero (t1095)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[:club:] , J[:heart:] .
      5 folds, Hero raises to t1095, SB calls t885 (All-In), BB calls t945.

      Flop: (t3150) 5[:club:] , 5[:diamond:] , 2[:heart:] (3 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: (t3150) J[:club:] (3 players, 1 all-in)

      River: (t3150) J[:diamond:] (3 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: t3150

      Results in white below:
      SB has Qc Qh (two pair, queens and jacks).
      BB has Kc As (two pair, jacks and fives).
      Hero has 7c Jh (full house, jacks full of fives).
      Outcome: Hero wins t3150.



      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

      UTG (t4450)
      Button (t4755)
      Hero (t1640)
      BB (t2655)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[:heart:] , J[:club:] .
      2 folds, Hero raises to t1615, BB calls t1315.

      Flop: (t3005) J[:spade:] , T[:heart:] , K[:club:] (2 players)

      Turn: (t3005) K[:diamond:] (2 players)

      River: (t3005) A[:diamond:] (2 players)

      Final Pot: t3005

      Results in white below:
      Hero has 9h Jc (two pair, kings and jacks).
      BB has Qc 7d (straight, ace high).
      Outcome: BB wins t3005.


      That was the worst call of the evening

      Not that much money won, but the Roi was 150%.
    • xxxbullyxxx
      xxxbullyxxx
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      Joined: 23.03.2008 Posts: 1,548
      no idea :D

      nice luck ^^
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      worst call, but +$EV cf nash ;) ;)


      PokerStars Game #17759427799: Tournament #90051766, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/05/28 - 18:59:37 (ET)
      Table '90051766 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
      Seat 1: Rebuy_Rebuy (1915 in chips)
      Seat 6: odxodike (4205 in chips)
      Seat 7: Unam1337 (2215 in chips)
      Seat 8: Allanon85 (2990 in chips)
      Seat 9: ottley (2175 in chips)
      ottley: posts small blind 100
      Rebuy_Rebuy: posts big blind 200
      *** HOLE CARDS ***
      odxodike: folds
      Unam1337: raises 2015 to 2215 and is all-in
      Allanon85: folds
      ottley: folds
      Rebuy_Rebuy: folds
      Uncalled bet (2015) returned to Unam1337
      Unam1337 collected 500 from pot
      Unam1337: doesn't show hand
      *** SUMMARY ***
      Total pot 500 | Rake 0
      Seat 1: Rebuy_Rebuy (big blind) folded before Flop
      Seat 6: odxodike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 7: Unam1337 collected (500)
      Seat 8: Allanon85 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
      Seat 9: ottley (small blind) folded before Flop

      unam has A5o. in a vacuum i think this is -$EV, off the top of my head.. this is also the steps tournament, btw. so payout is 43%/43%/14%


      alright, it's +$EV cf nash, sorry :P
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      Hello everyone,

      There were minor technical difficulties again, but it was ok, and watchable (I hope). Most interesting hand of the coaching was obviously this one:

      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      Button (t775)
      SB (t1685)
      Hero (t2845)
      UTG (t8195)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with T, T.
      UTG raises to t1200, 3 folds.

      Final Pot: t100

      I folded, and then Unam went "NOOOOOOOOO". We made some calculations, and the conclusion is, if he calls every time we reshove, and he opens ATC, it's a good shove. If he opens top 70 maybe, or less, then it's a fold. But since we have reason to believe that he would raise a VERY wide range here, and that we might have some FE, it'd be good play to push over his range here. quote: "1010 is just to good to fold here." He is hardly ever trapping in this spot, and we get a great deal to either double up or take away dead money.

      Thanks for listening and feedback plz.
    • Tigga
      Tigga
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      Joined: 16.03.2005 Posts: 7,541
      he is never folding there. he is getting close to 3:1 on his money, so i dont see him folding here one time.
      i'd say the push is close. but i u have the read, that this guy is raising atc then i'd maybe push as well. but u will get called by and 2 he raises.
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      June 12, coaching, just helemaalnicks today.

      Coaching went ok, I won ~60 dorral, which is good. I had 1 interesting hand that might be worth looking at again:

      PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      MP1 (t1550)
      MP2 (t1490)
      MP3 (t1790)
      CO (t1460)
      Hero (t1470)
      SB (t1480)
      BB (t1500)
      UTG (t1500)
      UTG+1 (t1260)

      Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.
      2 folds, MP1 raises to t60, MP2 calls t60, MP3 calls t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t60, SB calls t50, BB calls t40.

      Flop: (t360) 8, 7, 8 (6 players)
      SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets t125, Hero raises to t375, SB folds, BB folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises to t1730, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: t1110

      Im calling preflop because
      1. not necessarily ahead of openraising range
      2. Don't want big pots in marginal spots early
      3. For setvalue/overpair position playability

      Postflop, I play bet/fold, because I think I can get calls + cheap showdowns from worse hands (7x, FD) this way, and I think I'm ahead often enough to make the bet profitable. However, when reraised, I think I'm too often beat in this spot. I don't like flatting the bet postflop, because the board is drawy-ish, and there are too many cards I dont want to see... plus, the bet is quite small.