[NL20-NL50] KK 3bet pot against villain's shove

    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,867
      IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      MP: $26.54 (132.7 bb)
      CO: $21.07 (105.4 bb)
      BTN: $20 (100 bb)
      Hero (SB): $21.28 (106.4 bb)
      BB: $21.61 (108.1 bb)
      UTG: $14.27 (71.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.70, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.20, BB folds, CO calls $1.50

      Flop: ($4.60) T J 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.60, CO raises to $18.87 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.27

      Turn: ($42.34) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($42.34) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Results:
      $42.34 pot ($2.11 rake)
      Final Board: T J 5 6 T
      CO showed J T and won $40.23 ($19.16 net)
      Hero mucked K K and lost (-$21.07 net)


      23/18/491 and 6af.
      Easy shove on 3bet pot because there are many draws and his af?
  • 6 replies
    • CallumN
      CallumN
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.01.2012 Posts: 1,141
      I would break my mouse snap calling.

      What do you think his range for shoving is on the flop?

      Just a quick guess at his range and our equity

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 59.068% 58.60% 00.47% 15084 120.00 { KcKs }
      Hand 1: 40.932% 40.47% 00.47% 10416 120.00 { 55, AcQc, AJs, Ac5c, KJs+, Qc9c, JTs, 98s, KQo }
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,867
      More instant review when I play, he will shove with Jx or FD or Tx+FD

      This board has tons of draw so I couldn't trash my over pair.

      Without saying I make careful consideration when it's non 3bet pot.
    • CallumN
      CallumN
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.01.2012 Posts: 1,141
      Just turn a king next time :P
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Gonchan,

      You have a decent sample size on him and you putting just VPIP/PFR. What do you think I can do with it? He is practically unknown to me. :D

      So if you want to get realistic analyze then also post some specific stats as for example fold to 3bet/WTSD/W$SD. We can't really tell anything with his AF cause it might be not realistic for 3bet pots. What about Raise in 3bet pots? You are using HEM and you missing a lot of useful stats.

      According to that we can base our evaluation, he might be just a spewtard then obviously we are not getting away. But he might as well have decent W$SD and rarely even raises in 3bet pots and play way ahead/behind with Jx. So you can't say that we are always going broke here. Guy who has high fold to 3bet will almost always come up here with strong range only and might even be main range of TT/JJ.

      Best Regards.
    • Gonchan
      Gonchan
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      Joined: 14.06.2011 Posts: 2,867
      I was surprised to know it's useful to use FT3B on this spot.
      also, I'll add wtsd on my hud.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Gonchan
      I was surprised to know it's useful to use FT3B on this spot.
      also, I'll add wtsd on my hud.
      It tells you his range which Calls, especially if you have nice sample size. W$SD tells how likely he is having a hand and not. Of course it's it's like 40% then he is very likely to have a lot wider range and a lot draws/Jx hands cause he just is way too aggressive.