[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH, AQo vs reg, 3bet pot

    • newsat
      newsat
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      Joined: 21.02.2008 Posts: 3,224
      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $14.33 (143.3 bb)
      UTG: $11.63 (116.3 bb)
      CO: $11.13 (111.3 bb)
      BTN: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
      MP: $10.58 (105.8 bb)
      BB: $13.85 (138.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, MP calls $0.60

      Flop: ($2.10) Q 8 9 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.30, MP calls $1.30

      Turn: ($4.70) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $3.35 ???

      MP typical regular VP28 / PFR25/ 3BET10.0
      few history
      He liked 3bet and tends to give up 3bet-pot.
  • 11 replies
    • 92Niko
      92Niko
      Coach
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      Joined: 13.10.2011 Posts: 3,567
      Ok 3betting with AQo if he is not folding to 3bets, but you're going to play a pot OOP and he often gives up after the flop so raise you size! 1,30/1,40$ it's ok.

      The board gives you TPTK but it's quite connected and hits a std range for flatting 4bet, I would cbet std 1/2 pot on both flop and turn. The second nine reduces possibilities for 99, c/c could be a nice choice but remember: you're playing OOP and you can't potcontrol and probably he is not bluffing many times on that board, so you're choice deciding whether you can go broke or not against that oppo on that board.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello newsat,

      Preflop: 3bet sizing isn't once again the best here.

      As played
      Postflop: What's the plan with the Check on the turn? Do you induce bluffs or what's the idea behind it? It's of course possible to play it this way if you think he is capable of bluffing and keeping even his weaker hands in the play or let him even bluff.

      Best Regards.
    • newsat
      newsat
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      1. What is the SH standard 3bet size ?

      It is 3 x openraise like FR ?

      2. As played, how I should play on turn ?

      3. How I should play vs player whose 3bet stat is about 8~10 ?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      1. What is the SH standard 3bet size ? It is 3 x openraise like FR ?

      Yes, why would it be different. :P We are talking about the same odds.

      2. As played, how I should play on turn ?

      Before asking me the question how to play it answer my questions first. :)

      3. How I should play vs player whose 3bet stat is about 8~10 ?

      Why would I even take a look in 3bet stat here, we are 3betting here. :P
    • newsat
      newsat
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      I checked turn to induce bluff.

      He bet, I raise push, He called.



      My play was right ?

      How I should play ?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by newsat
      I checked turn to induce bluff.

      He bet, I raise push, He called.



      My play was right ?

      How I should play ?
      Check/Shoving will make a lot worse hands to fold but meanwhile they might pay you. Nor I doubt that there is much of bluff in his line, a lot of hands take the free card and Check behind.

      As you said yourself you had no history, why to induce then?
    • newsat
      newsat
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      I have a question of 3bet size.

      I used the middle concept between light 3bet and value 3bet.

      If I 3bet 3 X open raise, speculative hands will fold.

      I 3bet less to let these hands play, and make them felt pressure.
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
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      the one under pressure will be you. they'll fold when they don't hit and continue when they do...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by newsat
      I have a question of 3bet size.

      I used the middle concept between light 3bet and value 3bet.

      If I 3bet 3 X open raise, speculative hands will fold.

      I 3bet less to let these hands play, and make them felt pressure.
      a) you don't have a wide 3betting range, I am pretty sure on that;
      b) you didn't 3bet 3x but you made 2,5x;
      c) even speculative hands might call vs your raise;
      d) pressure? They are just getting really good odds to play vs you and they will have position on you.
    • newsat
      newsat
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      Check/Shoving will make a lot worse hands to fold but meanwhile they might pay you. Nor I doubt that there is much of bluff in his line, a lot of hands take the free card and Check behind.

      As you said yourself you had no history, why to induce then?
      Though there are not many history, I attacked many times as he folded well on 3bet-pot.

      I thought he could not respect mem so I check/raise push turn.

      I thought he could wonder which my hand is, and call with K high flush draw.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by newsat

      Check/Shoving will make a lot worse hands to fold but meanwhile they might pay you. Nor I doubt that there is much of bluff in his line, a lot of hands take the free card and Check behind.

      As you said yourself you had no history, why to induce then?
      Though there are not many history, I attacked many times as he folded well on 3bet-pot.

      I thought he could not respect mem so I check/raise push turn.

      I thought he could wonder which my hand is, and call with K high flush draw.
      You are only point out those things which ain't relevant, rather should take a look what's the guys aggression and then decide if to even pick such plays.