[NL2-NL10] NL10 SSS JJ FlopPlay

    • Gerv
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      0.05/0.10 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with J:heart: , J:spade:
      5 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, CO folds, BU raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds.

      Flop: ($1.20) 5:diamond: , Q:heart: , 3:diamond: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.54, BU raises to $1.80, Hero raises to $1.55 (All-In).

      Turn: ($4.55) 3:spade:
      River: ($4.55) 8:club:

      Final Pot: $4.55

      Timukasr shows [ 7:spade: , 7:diamond: ]two pairs, Sevens and Threes.
      Hero shows [ J:heart: , J:spade: ]two pairs, Jacks and Threes.
      Timukasr wins $0.25 USD from the side pot 1 with two pairs, Sevens and Threes.
      Hero wins $4.09 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Jacks and Threes.

      1) I decided to call pre-flop instead of re-raise though SHC told me to re-raise (Position SB)
      2) Was my continuation bet solid in the sense of aggression?
      3) Was my all-in call adequate?
      My thesis was that when he hit a set , he would slowplay it. If he hit Top-Pair, he would never go All-In but I was fearing a 5 or 3 set.
  • 13 replies
    • Amirapuato
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      I would have pushed preflop with Jacks.

      Your c-bet was less than 1/2 pot size, so not very solid, try to make it like 2/3 pot.

      I would fear a Qx (even if it's not likely), any overpair (KK & AA), and I think I could've folded after that raise.
    • DeKuip
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      Push preflop.
      Higher cbet on flop (around 2/3), him having a Q is unlikely.
      Calling all-in on the flop was good.
    • Gerv
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      Thanks for the comments/feedback :)
    • 098799
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      1) Why? Is there any particular reason why haven't you push this hand directly?
      2) You didn't play a continuation bet. C-bet means a bet on the flop after preflop aggression. You played a so-called donkbet.

      Now let me show you why you missplayed that hand:

      1) Preflop you were dominated only by QQ+, you had coinflip against AQ+ and were a big favourite against any other two cards.
      2) On the flop you were dominated by QQ+ and AQ, you were favourite against AK and other cards - which wouldn't probably raise you because they didn't hit!

      Ask yourself one question - what cards will raise you on such a flop? Overpairs, TPTK, trips, two-pairs... Every of them have you dominated.

      And pf - you were favourite against many of them and still had some decent fold equity. That's why it's profitable here to push pre-flop but not on the flop.

      Let me ask one more time: what caused your preflop call?
    • Gerv
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      Seeing his stats on PokerTracker, I saw him as Tight-Passive. He raised to 1/4 of my stack and to be honest, I wanted to see the flop. Thats why I called it.

      On the contrary, If I missed the flop like this, I surely got beat by higher Pockets or Q-x.
      Also If the flop came K x x or A x x - I couldnt made the push.
      To sum up, I had to re-raise on SB as the SSC said.

      Thanks for saying its a donk-bet rather than a c-bet :)
    • DeKuip
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      Chance of hitting a pair on the flop is 1/3.
      So Villain doesn't always hit the overcard on the flop ;)
    • 098799
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      There's no 'wanting to see the flop' while playing SSS. It's just not profitable at all. This strategy is designed to move all your money in as soon as possible.

      Btw: SH means short-handed, so something like 6-max. You're not playing sh, are you?
    • Gerv
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      Nope, edited the post to SSC - I thought it was SHC -> Start Hand Chart.
    • 098799
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      I meant the title of the post ;) . But it's ok as long as you're not trying sssing on sh tables which can (and probably will) turn into disaster ;)
    • Gerv
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      I did it once and that was the last time I ever going to apply SSS to SH yes.. Thanks for your comments, its much appreciated atm :)
    • Gerv
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      lol against Timukasr
    • SoyCD
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      lol gerv donkaments :D
    • timukasr
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      Wtf :D , strong donkbet form me lol. Nice find!