[NL20-NL50] NL50 FR in BB

    • BadeaCelRau
      BadeaCelRau
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.10.2010 Posts: 2,122
      I'm going to post 2 hands here, both against the same opponent. I know it's against the rule but it's for the best. It's the same opponent at the same table. They are also in chronological order. The guy was playing almost any hand and calling bets relentlessly, bottom pair too good to fold to 3 barrels. His stats in 129 hands are:

      92/45/19.6/0/85/0
      70/31/36/1.4

      $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($30) 100bb
      UTG+1 ($57.34) 191bb
      MP1 ($38.44) 128bb
      MP2 ($30) 100bb
      MP3 ($33.79) 113bb
      CO ($9.15) 31bb
      Hero (BTN) ($41.67) 139bb
      SB ($22.07) 74bb
      BB ($41.10) 137bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 9 players) Hero is BTN A:heart: 2:heart:
      UTG raises to $0.78, UTG+1 calls $0.78, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.78, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.78, 2 folds

      Flop: 2:club: 7:heart: 8:heart: ($3.57, 4 players)
      UTG bets $1.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

      Turn: A:club: ($8.07, 3 players)
      UTG checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $6.05, UTG folds, MP3 calls $6.05

      River: 6:spade: ($20.17, 2 players)
      MP3 goes all-in $25.46, Hero calls $25.46

      Final Pot: $71.09

      I felt he might have straight the way he donked on the river but he can also have lots of other stuff. Couldn't fold.
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      $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Holdem
      9 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($30) 100bb
      UTG+1 ($12.30) 41bb
      MP1 ($43.61) 145bb
      MP2 ($30) 100bb
      MP3 ($63.38) 211bb
      CO ($55.24) 184bb
      BTN ($49.90) 166bb
      SB ($8.97) 30bb
      Hero (BB) ($50.06) 167bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.45, 9 players) Hero is BB 10:club: 10:heart:
      6 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, BTN calls $0.90

      Flop: 5:heart: 9:heart: 5:spade: ($2.55, 2 players)
      Hero bets $1.91, BTN calls $1.91

      Turn: 2:heart: ($6.37, 2 players)
      Hero bets $4.77, BTN calls $4.77

      River: 5:club: ($15.91, 2 players)
      Hero bets $11.93, BTN goes all-in $42.02, Hero calls $30.09

      Final Pot: $99.95

      Really happy with the river card. Snap called his shove.
  • 11 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello BadeaCelRau,

      1st hand the problem is that I can't really see many hands what we beat cause most likely smaller 2pairs wouldn't be shoving the river, it's once again what we beat is pure bluff. Do you think the guy is capable of bluffing? Actually I can't even see many hands what he bluffs cause you also have the A.

      On first hand also something like 67 would most likely not shove the river, nor 78. So you your only hope is that he has missed FDs in his range. Although even if we put him missed FDs into his range, we still don't get the equity:

      Board: 2:club: 7:heart: 8:heart:  A:club:  6:spade:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    85.00%  85.00%   0.00% { 88-77, 22, A8s-A7s, T9s, 54s, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, A8o-A7o, T9o, 54o }
      UTG+1  15.00%  15.00%   0.00% { Ah2h }

      so which would make me rather fold the hand. Or what else do you think the guy is capable shoving?

      2nd hand is more towards crying fold for me while also being so deep, we really have to have super-nuts reads that he is just a maniac or capable of bluffing this way, although which I doubt. Why would he even try to bluff on such a board, just doesn't make sense.

      Best Regards.
    • BadeaCelRau
      BadeaCelRau
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.10.2010 Posts: 2,122
      You forgot 59o, that's what he had :)

      I don't know what to say. I'd probably be haunted for the rest of my life if I folded two pairs against this 92/45 guy. Usually when I fold they show up with the most retarded hands and I feel really stupid :f_mad:
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Why not raise the flop H1? Just try to get it in there... You have great equity.

      H2 is a call imo... Veriz maybe you didn't noticed but there are 3 fives on board so we have the best FH. JJ+ would be played more aggresive earlier.
    • HansTheGreat
      HansTheGreat
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      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 3,807
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Why not raise the flop H1? Just try to get it in there... You have great equity.
      What the reason behind a raise? Do you wanna play bigger variance play? I mean the concept of semi-bluffing relies on FE and against such opponents we dont have it so we cant used so I prefer as well a call.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Why not raise the flop H1? Just try to get it in there... You have great equity.

      Why would you raise the flop? Isolate vs sets?

      H2 is a call imo... Veriz maybe you didn't noticed but there are 3 fives on board so we have the best FH. JJ+ would be played more aggresive earlier.

      If I wouldn't recognize that then most likely my evaluation would be different, so I still did recognize it. ;) And I am still going for the same decision. Way too bad odds for a Call.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      They almost never have sets in hand 1. And because they are both fishes (the other prob too cause a reg won't ever bet that amount on that flop) they could even call with worse FD's. And we have some FE offcourse.

      H2: Do you think he has a 5 that many times maybe? Or do you think he can have JJ+ too?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      They almost never have sets in hand 1. And because they are both fishes (the other prob too cause a reg won't ever bet that amount on that flop) they could even call with worse FD's. And we have some FE offcourse.

      Hopefully you didn't mean what you said here... excluding sets here is just wrong.

      H2: Do you think he has a 5 that many times maybe? Or do you think he can have JJ+ too?

      Whatever he has we don't have him beat, 99/JJ+ could be easily possible, we can't exclude it from fish range. We have shown strength by betting this way 3 streets and even very strong on the river, why would he shove with bluff cause 9x is a bluff.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Thanks.

      Only something about the first hand:
      I think this range is very realistic -> range the fish calls our flopraise with if we raise... It maybe can be even wider versus such a guy. Even if we give him sets we are a favorite

      nl.pokerstrategy.com
      Board: 2c7h8h
      Equity Winst Split
      MP2 53.95% 53.95% 0.00% { Ah2h }
      MP3 46.05% 46.05% 0.00% { TT-77, K8s-K7s, Q8s-Q7s, J8s-J7s, T8s-T7s, 97s+, 85s+, 75s+, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, Kh6h, Qh6h, 9h6h, Kh5h, Qh5h, 6h5h, Kh4h, 6h4h, 5h4h, Kh3h, 5h3h, 4h3h, Kh2h, 4h2h, 3h2h, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o+, 97o+, 87o, 76o }
    • BadeaCelRau
      BadeaCelRau
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      Both guys were fishes. I didn't want to semi-bluff them because they'll call anyway, scare them away if they have nothing but might improve, or make myself pay a reraise if they show further aggression. I think calling is standard
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by BadeaCelRau
      Both guys were fishes. I didn't want to semi-bluff them because they'll call anyway, scare them away if they have nothing but might improve, or make myself pay a reraise if they show further aggression. I think calling is standard
      +1, wouldn't add much. We are then for sure keeping totally crap hands in the play and let them pay later on in case we hit big time.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      ty guys