[NL20-NL50] Nl50Sh - 88

    • Vesolc
      Vesolc
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      Joined: 11.07.2007 Posts: 130
      Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BB: $99.50
      UTG: $107.05
      MP: $50
      CO: $110.55
      Hero (BTN): $114.30
      SB: $44.65

      Pre-Flop: 8:club: 8:spade: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds, BB raises to $6.50, CO calls $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

      Flop: ($19.75) 8:diamond: T:diamond: 4:diamond: (3 Players)
      BB checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10, BB raises to $35, CO raises to $104.05 and is All-In, Hero?

      Pokertracker says I need 10 outs to be +EV...call/fold?
  • 8 replies
    • srohack
      srohack
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      i would raise it preflop and i would raise flop too .
      some stats would be good here .
      as played i can find a fold with 200 bb stacks . i dont think co can shove here with worst than a set of 4 but most of the times he has a set of 10 or better
    • lilprincess
      lilprincess
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      Joined: 13.05.2008 Posts: 2,549
      hmm this is a tough spot.
      I am pretty sure this is a fold, one of them has to have you beat, but you do have 8 outs in case none of them has TT
      I am having a real hard time putting them both on hands, I want to give the A:diamond: to both of them lol

      this is a sick hand. stats and reads would be welcome, like is BB squeezing light here ?
    • srohack
      srohack
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      this is a top spot for bb to squeeze light but after the flop action i tend to put him more likely on smth like aa kk with a :diamond: and co is the one who wories me more
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I'd raise preflop.

      As played, I'd raise the flop.

      As played, I'd call a shove.
    • srohack
      srohack
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 1,908
      why would you call ? how often do you think you are ahead here against co ?
    • Thorsten77
      Thorsten77
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      Joined: 28.05.2006 Posts: 12,896
      I am ahead vs. sth like an overpair with a diamond and even if he has a made flush, I have outs:

      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      50,490 games 0.002 secs 25,245,000 games/sec

      Board: 8d Td 4d
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 48.916% 48.51% 00.40% 24495 202.50 { AcAd, AdAh, AdAs, KcKd, KdKh, KdKs, QcQd, QdQh, QdQs, JcJd, JdJh, JdJs, TT, AdKd, KdQd }
      Hand 1: 51.084% 50.68% 00.40% 25590 202.50 { 88 }
    • Vesolc
      Vesolc
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      Joined: 11.07.2007 Posts: 130
      Thanks Thorsten...I'm happy to see that I think like a pro :) - by the way congratz for ECOOP.

      I played hand too soft, I know that. But result would be the same -> All-in.

      And yes:
      - against made flush -> 10 outs
      - against draw -> even better
      - against TT -> so be it
      ...

      Unfortunately this hand finished in the way I didn't want to:

      Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
      LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

      BB: $99.50
      UTG: $107.05
      MP: $50
      CO: $110.55
      Hero (BTN): $114.30
      SB: $44.65

      Pre-Flop: 8:club: 8:spade: dealt to Hero (BTN)
      2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, SB folds, BB raises to $6.50, CO calls $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

      Flop: ($19.75) 8:diamond: T:diamond: 4:diamond: (3 Players)
      BB checks, CO bets $10, Hero calls $10, BB raises to $35, CO raises to $104.05 and is All-In, Hero raises to $107.80 and is All-In, BB folds

      Turn: ($262.85) 7:club: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      River: ($262.85) A:spade: (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

      Results: $262.85 Pot ($3 Rake)
      CO showed J:diamond: A:diamond: (a flush, Ace high) and WON $259.85 (+$149.30 NET)
      Hero showed 8:club: 8:spade: (three of a kind, Eights) and LOST (-$110.55 NET)
    • mintogo
      mintogo
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      Joined: 17.05.2008 Posts: 256
      Ye 3bet preflop, probably he would lay his AJs down OOP.
      I call here anyday, set over set is just unlucky, I mean he could easily have an high overpair with a diamond. Against a flush ur only 2 to 1.