[NL2-NL10] NL50 SSS- Set on the flop after doublig up- what should you do?

    • ivanasrb1
      ivanasrb1
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      Joined: 15.04.2008 Posts: 17
      These are 2 hands I played this morning. In second hand I hit a set and check-raised on the flop. Do you think it is a right move? I had no reads on vilain but I think hes pretty tight.


      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      UTG+1 ($50)
      MP1 ($50)
      MP2 ($25.85)
      MP3 ($30.75)
      Hero ($10)
      Button ($81.60)
      SB ($41.80)
      BB ($19.25)
      UTG ($39)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 8.
      2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero checks, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks.

      Flop: ($2.25) 5, 4, 7 (5 players)
      BB bets $2.25, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $9.5 (All-In), Button folds, BB calls $7.25.

      Turn: ($0) K (3 players, 1 all-in)

      River: ($0) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

      Final Pot: $21.25

      Results in white below:
      BB has 5s 6c (two pair, sevens and fives).
      Hero has 6h 8h (straight, eight high).
      Outcome: Hero wins $21.25.



      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

      UTG ($50)
      UTG+1 ($50)
      MP1 ($25.35)
      MP2 ($30.75)
      Hero ($20.20)
      CO ($81.10)
      Button ($41.55)
      SB ($9.25)
      BB ($39)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 7, 7.
      3 folds, Hero calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.5, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.

      Flop: ($5.75) 7, 6, J (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2, Hero raises to $8, CO folds.

      Final Pot: $9.75

      Results in white below:
      Hero doesn't show.
      Outcome: Hero wins $9.75.
  • 6 replies
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
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      Joined: 07.03.2008 Posts: 10,966
      First hand:
      Well played, you managed to push your nuts and get a call, what else does a poker-player want? :D

      Second hand:
      When playing SSS you hardly ever call. Preflop you simply never call.
      Your in MP3, so it's actually a fold, but if you really want to play it, you should just make a normal raise.
      When he raises you preflop, you should fold.
      If you hit your set on the flop, it's easy: bet flop/turn/river.
      Unless you have a extremely good read on him that he will bet no matter what.
      I would just bet 2/3 pot on that flop and try to be all-in on the river :)
    • 098799
      098799
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      Joined: 23.07.2007 Posts: 1,245
      1) nh
      2) You don't have enough implied odds to call here. Remember the rule 'call20'? It says you can call a pf raise on a set value only if your stack will be 20 times bigger than the raise amount. Here you get only a 'call10' which is way less than you need. In such a case you HAVE to stack him every time you hit your set - and this is pretty hard to achieve.

      Also, with 77 you would like rather to raise this one first in from mp3 than openlimp which is quite a weak play. You can, however limp if there are limpers before you.

      On the flop you did well. Donkbetting nearly always means loosing value.
    • ivanasrb1
      ivanasrb1
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      Joined: 15.04.2008 Posts: 17
      Thanks, I didnt actualy read those articles carefully, thought that call20 means 20BB :D .
    • DeKuip
      DeKuip
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      I don't think I've ever read this "call20" thing with SSS, I've only seen it with BSS so far..
    • ivanasrb1
      ivanasrb1
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      Joined: 15.04.2008 Posts: 17
      I sow it there of course, but I didnt read them carefully :D .
    • 098799
      098799
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      Joined: 23.07.2007 Posts: 1,245
      Originally posted by DeKuip
      I don't think I've ever read this "call20" thing with SSS, I've only seen it with BSS so far..
      Yeah, quite normal cause there's nothing about call20 in sss articles ;) . It's a rule that is profitable with any type of no limit strategy - it just has lot wider application in bss because of the size of your stack.

      And why is it profitable? You're calling pf with low pocket pair only if there are limpers before and you have sufficient (call20) odds. It means you can call only single bb with normal, 20bb stack.

      Chances of hitting a set on the flop are 11%, so you hit a set every once in 9 times. If you stack your oponent every time you hit a set, it's profitable to call pf when your stack's only 9 times larger than the raise. Since you cannot assume that scenario to be true, it's widely recomended to call only if the raise is 20 times lower than your stack.