[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR AJo vs donkbets

    • JohnDoe1313
      JohnDoe1313
      Platinum
      Joined: 04.01.2011 Posts: 5,143
      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
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      MP3: $11.36 (113.6 bb)
      Hero (CO): $4.30 (43 bb)
      SB: $14.77 (147.7 bb)
      BTN: $10.31 (103.1 bb)
      MP2: $9.26 (92.6 bb)
      MP1: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $10 (100 bb)

      SB: VPIP: 81, PFR: 8, 3B: 5.9, WTSD: 40, AF: 1.9, Donkbet flop: 79 (19), Donkbet/fold flop: 11 (20), Hands: 73

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A J
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB folds

      Flop: ($0.70) 8 8 4 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

      Turn: ($0.90) 7 (2 players)
      SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

      River: ($1.10) A (2 players)
      SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.35, SB calls $1.25

      Results:
      $3.80 pot ($0.19 rake)
      Final Board: 8 8 4 7 A
      Hero showed A J and won $3.61 ($1.76 net)
      SB mucked 7 6 and lost (-$1.85 net)


      Hello. SB donked too much while being oop - any pair, even bottom one. Raising it didn't seem like a good idea since he played donk/call and donk turn again most of the time.

      On flop & turn I called counting having 5 overcard outs + some backdoor on flop, flush on turn. Despite my outs may not be clean, can I call considering there are still worse hands in his range?

      His river calling range (basically his flop donking range) could look something like this

      Board: 8:heart: 8:club: 4:club:  7:club:  A:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      CO     44.18%  44.18%   0.00% { AcJd }
      SB     55.82%  55.82%   0.00% { JJ-22, A8s, A4s, K8s, Q8s, J8s, T8s, 98s, 86s+, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, KcQc, KcJc, QcJc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Kc9c, Qc9c, Jc9c, Tc9c, Kc7c, Jc7c, Tc7c, 9c7c, Kc6c, Kc5c, 7c5c, A8o, A4o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 86o+, 76o, 65o, 54o }

      I think I have 0 FEQ so I bet $1.35 into $1.10 + ( $0.1 + $1.25), so I need 35% equity without discounting rake.

      Maybe easy spot, but still, is my analysis any good? Thank you :f_thumbsup:
  • 5 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Hi,

      From experience you have to raise the Flop here and raise again when he minbets again. This is so weak that you can profitably semibluff raise here and prevent yourself from getting owned by this fish

      You have the A so any on the Turn is a perfect card for you to semibluff raise again

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • JohnDoe1313
      JohnDoe1313
      Platinum
      Joined: 04.01.2011 Posts: 5,143
      I agree that is right approach vs loose passive opponents. But problem is this guy cannot fold anything. I tried semibluffing vs him in similar spots but it didn't work. Even my equity isn't that big so I could raise to built the pot and get some payoff when I hit.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by JohnDoe1313
      I agree that is right approach vs loose passive opponents. But problem is this guy cannot fold anything. I tried semibluffing vs him in similar spots but it didn't work. Even my equity isn't that big so I could raise to built the pot and get some payoff when I hit.
      Can you post that hand so we can have a look at how you played against him

      - Gerv
    • JohnDoe1313
      JohnDoe1313
      Platinum
      Joined: 04.01.2011 Posts: 5,143
      This hand was on my mind, but I forgot that he had a good hand from his point of view.

      Party, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      CO: $10.93 (109.3 bb)
      MP: $10.43 (104.3 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $4.11 (41.1 bb)
      BB: $5.56 (55.6 bb)
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      UTG: $5.40 (54 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 A
      3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

      Flop: ($0.65) 3 3 Q (2 players)
      BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.60, BB calls $0.50

      Turn: ($1.85) 2 (2 players)
      BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

      River: ($2.05) K (2 players)
      BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

      Results:
      $2.25 pot ($0.11 rake)
      Final Board: 3 3 Q 2 K
      Hero mucked 4 A and lost (-$1.10 net)
      BB showed Q 8 and won $2.14 ($1.04 net)



      I had note on him he donkminbet/calls on 459r board with 53s, that's why I thought he cannot fold any pair. My mistake was there was not mentioned he was a committed shorty.

      I see my thinking is wrong here. I made assumption out of nothing. Checking all hands in my database on him I found out that he is actually donkbetting and capable of folding on flop or turn. Next time I will replay exact spots in my mind so I won't make a bad decision again because of blurry memories. Thanks :f_thumbsup:
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      With your A:d4, you just have to raise again on the Turn, best semibluff spot & mostly you are ahead. Calling is the worst play more or less since u only play your equity

      I generally want to put max pressures on minbets as they are weak too often as they mostly mean checks where he bet/call the Flops but then donks again on the Turn only to fold

      - Gerv