FT - Multi-way pot

    • M0na1isa
      M0na1isa
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      Hello

      This been happening quite a lot recently. It's not just a hypothetical situation :p


      I'm holding a premium hand. AA, KK, QQ, AKs.

      I'm not pot committed. In fact I haven't made any bet/call yet.

      I hold a shorter stacks than others. But I have enough BBs to survive.

      2-4 People shove before me.

      So I'm thinking if I call and win the pot chance of me winning the tournament would be vastly increased, Excellent (Mr. Burn's voice).

      But if I fold I'd get bumped up 2-4 positions and pay-outs is hugely different.

      And if call and lose i would be the last of those 3-5 people, cause I hold the smallest stack.

      I think another factor which would make a difference is if 1) it is a regular MTT grind, like 180man, so only equity matters cause I make a lot of FTs. 2) it is a unique FT with much higher payouts.

      Cheerio ^^
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    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      Most important information would be the chipcounts of all players. Without this information it's impossible to give advice on it.

      Furthermore there will be a big difference between AA/KK and QQ/AK. Their equity is way different in these spots.

      Please add some more information if you want a more exact answer.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • M0na1isa
      M0na1isa
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      Alrite, I don't have the HH so I cannot just paste em here. Sorry about that. But here's what happened.



      UTG (16 BB) : bets 3 BB
      UTG+ (20 BB) : shoves all-in
      MP1 (24 BB) : calls
      MP3 (38 BB) : calls
      Poor me CO (15 BB) : ?

      I'm holding AA.


      another situation:


      UTG+ (18 BB) : bets 5 BB
      MP2 (41 BB) : shoves all-in
      CO (25 BB) : calls
      Poor me BU (18 BB) : ?

      I'm holding KK.
    • Lindberg789
      Lindberg789
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      Need payout structure
    • HighRoller08
      HighRoller08
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      Originally posted by M0na1isa
      Alrite, I don't have the HH so I cannot just paste em here. Sorry about that. But here's what happened.



      UTG (16 BB) : bets 3 BB
      UTG+ (20 BB) : shoves all-in
      MP1 (24 BB) : calls
      MP3 (38 BB) : calls
      Poor me CO (15 BB) : ?

      I'm holding AA.
      I'd call. Play to win.

      Originally posted by M0na1isa
      another situation:

      UTG+ (18 BB) : bets 5 BB
      MP2 (41 BB) : shoves all-in
      CO (25 BB) : calls
      Poor me BU (18 BB) : ?

      I'm holding KK.
      I'd take a look at the payout structure and make a decision after that. MP2 could knock out both players and you can be HU.
    • Asaban
      Asaban
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      First hand is always a call imo. You are in front and want to win the tournament.
      Second one depends on the payout structure. In most cases I would call as well.

      Regards,
      Asaban
    • flexifronto
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      In both cases I would fold.

      In a final table, we are not looking for the most EV+ situation, we are looking for the most EV$+ situation. Folding in both situations assure us more $ for sure. Of course it depends on the payout structure. If the changes of $ are really small, then I'd call, but normally the payout makes a huge different between the last 5 players.