Verre's Suicidal Slide

    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Hey all,

      I've been an member of the community for a few years but have never really taken my online poker seriously. I've won a few tournaments but overall most of my time spent on line is spewing money after work for fun. Online poker is a great way to let off steam :s_cool:

      With that said, I have a child on the way and purchased a house with my wife. There is no point donking around a few bucks here and there when I can take my online poker as serious as I take my live poker.

      Anyways this starts a few days back when I went to the casino with one of my good buddies and we played in the $60 dollar tournament. It fielded 71 and long story short I dominated so bad that at the final table the remaining players essentially handed me first place and $1400 so that they could chop the rest amongst themselfs.

      At said point my brilliant friend said "Why dont you do this more often" to which I replied, "I have way too many things to do at home to come to the casino more often." Anyways long story short he ended up telling me I should consider playing online seriously instead of just for kicks.

      I took some of that money and put it on Stars. I sampled all that was to offer but always know what my real skills are, Heads Up SnGs and MTTs. The problem with MTTs is that its not worth my time to sit down for 8 hrs in a small buyin tournament unless there is other reasons to play. Other reasons would be recognition like winning a series tournament. So that left me with HU SnGs.

      But with that said, I dont have a roll to play anything I can make real money at. I have a full time job and as said before a family. I covet my time, its valuable to me. More valuable than grinding out tiny stakes to make tiny profit.

      So where does this leave me? Well, I'm rolled for $7 dollar SnGs. That doesn't give me the ability to make the money I want. But what it will let me do is build a base for backing. To be upfront I have never been staked or asked for a stake before. I never planned on being staked either. Like I said, I value my time. Stakers value thier money and they want return on that money. My lifestyle and stakers money never seemed to go hand in hand.

      But what if I create blocks of SnGs? An amount that is doable in a few weeks without me feeling pressured? Well this seems to be beneficial to all parties! Now I'm getting somewhere!

      Anyways at this point I had to figure out what games I could beat. I started railing $15s, $30s, $60s, $100s. At $100s I noticed some very compotent players, but up until that point I witnessed players i could get reads on within a few hands. This is obviously the key to victories, the ability to recognize and adapt.

      The first block will be done on my own money, and this is not ment to be a staking forum. When I decide the staking forum will be made, I will not use this blog, I will post the link to the post.

      Blocks will be in groups of 200 SnGs. Hopefully they should take roughly 2 weeks.

      My only goal at this point is to play the 200 games and get a base. My midterm goals will be to either have a roll for $15s-$30s or get a stake for those games.

      Longterm I am looking for a stake for $60 and up. I see guys like LessThanThree making others and himself good amounts of money. I respect how he runs his blocks and stake. My hope is that I can bring the community another blog and another player that brings money to the members and my family.
  • 116 replies
    • wasy8
      wasy8
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      Joined: 29.01.2009 Posts: 1,507
      Would definitely be interested in a long term stake deal. In the meantime I'd like to buy up as much of the first block as I can.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Good to see you in the block Wasy8 :P I always read lots of blogs and staking forums and such and I notice your a cornerstone of the community.

      I guess I should say my first block is actually 0.5 as i'm just doing it to get some reputation in the community. I'll play a few days to get some graphs and such so you can feel secure in your investment but I'll give you first crack at the first backed block

      So anyways I figured a great thing to do for myself and the community was post some tips and strategy as well as the updates. I've been contemplating lately about game theory and higher level thinking. I'll share one of my secrets.

      Getting Information Fast

      Poker is a game of half information. You never know what your opponent has for sure. Obviously the best thing to do is find avenues to get "reads". None of this is new to any of you but I'd like to share some tips as to getting fast reads.

      Obviously at the poker table the number of opponents changes. I'll be focusing on what I do in heads up situations and then I'll expand. In the early levels of a hu sng blinds are small. Usually you start with 75bbs. This is when you want to get your information.

      We want to find out a few key things. Does your opponent fold to preflop bets? If not what size bet does it take to get him to fold on average? What about raises? Does he call any raise when on the button? Does he fold to these too often?

      I basically want to find out two things for sure in the first level of blinds. I will open my first 3-4 buttons and see his reaction. You'll get an idea of his tendencies. If hes an aggressive player he'll often raise one of these opens, if not more. Passive players usually either call everything or fold almost everything. You want to define a player into one of these 3 catagories.

      The other thing I will do is I will either raise his button opens within the first 4 hands or bump up his limps 3.5x if he likes to limp buttons. Once we see his reaction we can get a good idea of his comfort zone.

      At this point I like to make my opponent as uncomfortable as possible. This keeps them on thier toes and allows them to make mistakes. If they are a super aggro 3 betting maniac I will flat call in possition and play a lot of postflop. If they fold too much preflop I will open 100% of my buttons. If they fold to reraises I will reraise 50%.

      Once you do that the only question to be asked is if they are doing something out of thier normal betting pattern because they have a hand or because they are tilting. Its easier to tell with tighter passive players because they will shift thier style radically. Aggressive players will usually only slow down for 1-2 hands and then either shove a few hands or go back to thier normal aggressive selves.

      When it comes to tournament poker, its cheaper to get this information. You can watch other players bet and raise and see reactions. Take mental notes. The most important mental note to take is on the "Table Captain" type player. How does he respond to opens in front of him? How does he open to raises when he opens? The best way to win tournaments is to play a smart table captain style obviously, but this is only doable if you know how your opponents will react to your moves, and what to do when they react differently to what you expect.

      Anyways thats all for today. Next is an update on the few games I played today. Hope you all enjoyed this :P
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Well I'm back with the update from today.

      It was a short day as I started this post only a few hrs ago and its 11:15PM as I type this post. I played 15 games and did alright. I made 2 big mistakes both by reacting wrong to guys who shoved almost every hand preflop. I ran better than EV although I dont know if EV on HM1 is to be trusted on these games.

      Here is the graph:


      Results based it looks above average. I know that its said that 55% itm in these games is great, but at this limit I hope for at least 60% and that is what I'm going to aim for.

      Also a side note, this block of games might take a bit longer as I'm going to take the Micro Millions pretty serious. That is, if my wife will allow me the time :f_p:
    • fruktpuff
      fruktpuff
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      Joined: 24.09.2010 Posts: 3,982
      Hi verre, and welcome to our blogging section!

      I am pleased to see that you are well aware of our policy with staking that requests should only be made in our Staking forum, and that you respect it.

      Looking forward to seeing how you do on your own, and if you decide to get staked and how you progress onwards!

      Good luck with the Micro Millions as well, have you planned out any kind of a schedule yet, or will you be playing on a "Now I am able to(read: allowed) to do a few tourneys, so this is what's on offer" approach?

      Regards,
      Richard
    • bjela
      bjela
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      Joined: 11.06.2010 Posts: 1,012
      Hey, will definitely follow this, good luck.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Thanks for the comments guys.

      Actually I was planning to play the MM on my own coin and wasn't looking for a stake. The total buyins are less than $200 at worst for the 25 or so tournaments I want to play.

      But one of my rl friends offered me a stake plus equity in him (very solid player was at the final table will me in the tournament I won, and has won a 2k deep stack in Washington State) so I jumped at that.

      Hopefully I run good and win one. I'm most excited about the mixed games. I get such a great feeling of accomplishment when I win them. I've won two Horse tournaments in the past and too this day I remember them the fondest. That could also be because it was a few days before black Friday and I flukes out and cashed out the night of the win and got my money :f_cool:
    • Wriggers
      Wriggers
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      Joined: 21.07.2009 Posts: 3,250
      Will follow and will be interested in buying blocks at some point probably :D
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Hey everyone,

      So today I was thinking about progressing ones skill in specifically hu sngs but more broadly any game of skill. I was inspired to actually write this due to a post I had read in the improve your game forum. The post was about someone always tilt rematching superior opponents. The responses was basically a wall of "stop playing better opponents." But the OP also stated that his ego problems stem from wanting to be the best and to be able to beat these opponents that he cannot compete with at this point.

      So what is the best course of action for our ambitious hero? To just give up and accept that he can never win these tough games, bum hunt and get by on grinding small stakes fish for the rest of his stagnant poker career? I say no!

      The best way to learn is to play better players! This doesn't just apply to poker. It applies to chess, cribb, soccer, hockey, curling.... Ect. How will you ever test and develope skills to beat better opponents if you cannot use the muscles (body and mind) necessary to accomplish greatness in any avenue worth persuing. Think of children. They don't learn to walk instantly with thier first try. They use thier leg muscles over time to develope them through crawling, kicking, standing, and eventually walking! Once they can walk they practice and practice until it becomes second nature. We want our top level reads, bluffs, raises, ect to become second nature! But we can only accomplish this my flexing these muscles and testing them against superior competition.

      So what is my advice? My advice is to play all comers with a limit. The limit is 2 bi but with a twist. You can lose a "technical bi." A technical buyin is when you got your money in bad or when you made a big mental error and still won. The win is results orientated but we don't care about results in this scenario. We care about development. Of course this requires you to be honest with yourself but the nice thing is it forces you to reflect on your game before u instantly press the accept button.

      So if we are going to play better players we better make sure we are actually investing our money wisely. Obviously we are looking for a longer term financial return. That means we have to get some information that can help a greater than the 1 bi we are risking now.

      The best way to do that is to fully concentrate on adapting to your superior opponent. Make him uncomfortable. See what his limits are. You will start to see processes and lines at a higher level. You will become comfortable with moves you would have never dared in the past. These things will become apart of your game. And hopefully you will gain one of the most important things you can gain in any game. Confidence!

      Thats all for today. Hope u enjoyed it. Take care.
    • batukas
      batukas
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      Joined: 04.06.2009 Posts: 34
      will follow and good luck: )
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      So today was day 2 of this. It went below expectation but I also made some serious mistakes. More opportunities to learn!

      Heres the first tournament of the day. This is how it started :f_mad:

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1819986
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      anitaperu19 (BTN/SB): t900.00 30 BBs
      Hero (BB): t2100.00 70 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 3 :diamond: 6 :diamond:
      anitaperu19 raises to t60, Hero calls t30

      Flop: (t120) 6 :spade: 6 :heart: 2 :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, anitaperu19 bets t120.00, Hero calls t120

      Turn: (t360) 9 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, anitaperu19 checks

      River: (t360) 2 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets t180.00, anitaperu19 raises to t720, Hero calls t540

      Final Pot: t1800
      anitaperu19 shows 9 :heart: 9 :club:
      Hero shows 3 :diamond: 6 :diamond:
      anitaperu19 wins t1800.00

      I proceeded to lose the next two mostly due to bad cards, bad flops ect. I didn't start making real mistakes until the 8th and 9th games where I made real mistakes!

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10.00/t20.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1819988
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      Hero (BTN/SB): t1530.00 76.50 BBs
      bacooo (BB): t1470.00 73.50 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with Q :spade: A :club:
      Hero raises to t50, bacooo calls t30

      Flop: (t100) 8 :club: 9 :spade: A :diamond: (2 players)
      bacooo checks, Hero bets t75.00, bacooo raises to t180, Hero raises to t1480, bacooo calls t1240 all in

      Turn: (t2940) 4 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      River: (t2940) T :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: t2940
      Hero shows Q :spade: A :club:
      bacooo shows 8 :heart: 9 :club:
      bacooo wins t2940.00

      I shoulda known better on this hand. I had just played a 23 minute match against this same opponent. He isn't making this move with less than two pair on the third hand of the tournament ever! Big mistakes, but I'll learn.

      There was also two tournaments that I had EV worth double the first place prize. These games are always frusterating. At least I won both of them in the end.

      Heres the total graph for the block so far.



      As you can see after 16 tournaments I only won 9. I have to remember to not get down on myself. These days are standard. Even though I felt I deserved more, it wasn't in the cards. Literally.

      My RoI after 31 tournaments is still over 60% which is the goal at these limits for me. Anyways tomorrow is the beginning of the Micro Millions and I need to turn my focus to that.

      I will be playing the $3.30 event 5 and the $2.20r event 6. Wish me luck!
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Update on the Micro Millions.

      Event 5.

      Guy made a standard Q high calldown against me on a AT7A3 board where I 3 barreled with 98s. Probubly shoulda pushed the river instead of making a thinking players bet of 1/3 the pot to make it look extra callable.

      That put me down to about 20bb, and since my stats where like 6/6/3 after about 60 hands at this table I figured the bluff should have some credit. Thats what I get for outleveling myself and forgetting what I'm playing in these things.

      Anyways the last 3k went in and it was a standard AQ>AK to end the tourny.

      Next up Event 6 2.20r 2x turbo. This thing should be a bloodbath. :s_cool:
    • Antonioull
      Antonioull
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      Joined: 01.09.2010 Posts: 717
      Hi

      Im plaiyn the HYper hu sngs , actually just learning as i play 9-6 sngs turbo
      + regular anyway i wish u luck , some nice posts about hus
      :D
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Thank you Antonioull :D Thanks for stopping by.

      Always nice to have other headsup players stoping by and giving input. In fact I want to start posting more marginal hands and have some of you guys make comments. I find the only thing lacking in my game is that I fail to have anyone to talk with about theory and strategy. I kind of miss this type of interaction as in all sports I played throught my whole life this interaction was key to success.

      With hockey/football/golf/rugby/ect ect... you always have a coach and or teamates to use as sounding boards for ideas. I seem to be lacking this point and I think it hurts my confidence and accountability.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      CO is 36/15 after 15 hands, SB is 36/29 after 15 hands. SB has also shoved 4/7 hands previously. I'm sitting at a bad stack as to this point I've been moved tables twice and the last 3 times I've opened I've been snap shoved over. Blinds raised and I found myself in a bad situation.

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000.00/t2000.00 Blinds - 9 players - View hand 1821243
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      UTG+2: t9966.00 4.98 BBs
      MP1: t92435.00 46.22 BBs
      MP2: t24551.00 12.28 BBs
      CO: t16780.00 8.39 BBs
      BTN: t108216.00 54.11 BBs
      SB: t28040.00 14.02 BBs
      Hero (BB): t36879.00 18.44 BBs
      UTG: t38960.00 19.48 BBs
      UTG+1: t24670.00 12.34 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t3000) Hero is BB with A :spade: J :spade:
      5 folds, CO raises to t6000, 1 fold, SB raises to t27840, Hero raises to t36679, CO calls t10780 all in

      Flop: (t72460) K :club: 9 :spade: Q :diamond: (3 players - 1 is all in)

      Turn: (t72460) J :heart: (3 players - 1 is all in)

      River: (t72460) 5 :heart: (3 players - 1 is all in)

      Final Pot: t72460
      CO shows A :club: A :heart:
      SB shows T :diamond: T :heart:
      Hero shows A :spade: J :spade:
      SB wins t51540.00
      (Rake: t-1600)



      2 hands later.

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1250.00/t2500.00 Blinds - 8 players - View hand 1821245
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      UTG: t106201.00 42.48 BBs
      UTG+1: t24151.00 9.66 BBs
      MP1: t68036.00 27.21 BBs
      MP2: t107816.00 43.13 BBs
      CO: t73860.00 29.54 BBs
      Hero (BTN): t7639.00 3.06 BBs
      SB: t36560.00 14.62 BBs
      BB: t24270.00 9.71 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is BTN with 8 :diamond: 8 :heart:
      3 folds, MP2 calls t2500, 1 fold, Hero raises to t7389, 1 fold, BB raises to t24020, MP2 calls t21520

      Flop: (t56679) 7 :spade: T :diamond: J :club: (3 players)

      Turn: (t56679) J :heart: (3 players)

      River: (t56679) T :club: (3 players)

      Final Pot: t56679
      MP2 shows T :spade: A :spade:
      Hero shows 8 :diamond: 8 :heart:
      BB shows A :heart: Q :club:
      MP2 wins t25417.00
      (Rake: t-2000)



      And thats it for day one of the Micro Millions. 1k short of the money but who cares about that, I was not even close to FT which sucks. I played really well but standard stuff got me good. Might have time for some HUSnGs.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Brag post time!

      First off though, is it just me or are all the GOOD HU SnG players playing tonight? Like for some unknown reason Thursday nights is reg night. Even the fish are less fishy than usual. Regs who have absolutely no edge on me if not are underdogs are even ninja sitting me for whatever reason. I literally had to tell a guy to stop sitting me after I beat him because he thought that he had an edge and I explained he didn't and I probubly had no edge on him.

      Anyways back to the brag. I figured I'd do this mid sesh since the guy stopped rematching. I had a read that when this guy had strong made hands he would play very passive, and when he didn't he would either fold or bluff on wet boards. Heres the hand.

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10.00/t20.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1821252
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      Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 75 BBs
      BB: t1500.00 75 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with T :spade: 9 :club:
      Hero raises to t50, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t70

      Flop: (t240) 7 :club: A :spade: 8 :spade: (2 players)
      BB bets t115.00, Hero calls t115

      Turn: (t470) Q :heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t240.00, BB raises to t510, Hero calls t270

      River: (t1490) 3 :club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t755.00, BB folds

      Final Pot: t1490
      Hero wins t1490.00

      As you can see, this is the closes to soul reading a mortal can get. Hes basically pot commited with anything from a monster to a low pair. But, alas, he didn't have anything as expected :s_biggrin:
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Quite possibly the most frusterating day of poker I've ever had in my whole life. Starting with the tournaments but then the heads up sit and gos where beyond stupid. I only lost like 20 bucks which is like 3 bi. Play bad wasn't the biggest part of my day, although I probubly blew those 3 bi with tilt. No my card distribution was ridiculous.

      I played a guy 5 times in a row. I dont know if I had a significant edge on him but I felt I did. Unforutnately for me this guy saw a turn on 78% of all flops he saw, and was playing over 85% vpip. Then he had the balls to tell me he always folds trash. My issue was I never got a hand but when I did he would fold pre or I'd have a medium made hand and he'd make some fishy looking river bet after checking 2 streets and he'd show with top 2 or something of the like. There was only one time I caught him on a bluff and he had flopped an open ended straight flush draw. Needless to say, 5 losses right there.

      Heres the trainwreck graph for the day.



      Anyways, I think I need to play at least $15s. I have $550 in my roll but I feel I need to play at a limit that if I win I'll feel like I actually made something. 7 Dollars isn't even a fast food meal.

      I'll think about this overnight but I needa do some study before I play some more. I felt like I played good but I'll check the HM.
    • Antonioull
      Antonioull
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      Joined: 01.09.2010 Posts: 717
      I dont play MTTS (in fact i only play if i get a free invitation or freeroll whatver)
      although the reads in the 1 hand seem to indicate they are bad players
      hence 1 could have 55 the other A8 , i think AJs is a marginal call
      Because against 2 players even bad ones in 9 handed there is a big prob
      yr 7030 against 1 of them

      But... i dont play mtts so ..
    • Antonioull
      Antonioull
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      Joined: 01.09.2010 Posts: 717
      Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 75 BBs
      BB: t1500.00 75 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with T 9
      Hero raises to t50, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t70

      Flop: (t240) 7 A 8 (2 players)
      BB bets t115.00, Hero calls t115

      Turn: (t470) Q (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t240.00, BB raises to t510, Hero calls t270

      River: (t1490) 3 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t755.00, BB folds

      Final Pot: t1490
      Hero wins t1490.00

      As you can see, this is the closes to soul reading a mortal can get. Hes basically pot commited with anything from a monster to a low pair. But, alas, he didn't have anything as expected


      Actually i would put him in FD , J10 , KJ
    • tryhardnoob
      tryhardnoob
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      Joined: 01.12.2010 Posts: 1,287
      Originally posted by Verre
      Brag post time!

      First off though, is it just me or are all the GOOD HU SnG players playing tonight? Like for some unknown reason Thursday nights is reg night. Even the fish are less fishy than usual. Regs who have absolutely no edge on me if not are underdogs are even ninja sitting me for whatever reason. I literally had to tell a guy to stop sitting me after I beat him because he thought that he had an edge and I explained he didn't and I probubly had no edge on him.

      Anyways back to the brag. I figured I'd do this mid sesh since the guy stopped rematching. I had a read that when this guy had strong made hands he would play very passive, and when he didn't he would either fold or bluff on wet boards. Heres the hand.

      Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10.00/t20.00 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1821252
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 75 BBs
      BB: t1500.00 75 BBs

      Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with T :spade: 9 :club:
      Hero raises to t50, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t70

      Flop: (t240) 7 :club: A :spade: 8 :spade: (2 players)
      BB bets t115.00, Hero calls t115

      Turn: (t470) Q :heart: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t240.00, BB raises to t510, Hero calls t270

      River: (t1490) 3 :club: (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets t755.00, BB folds

      Final Pot: t1490
      Hero wins t1490.00

      As you can see, this is the closes to soul reading a mortal can get. Hes basically pot commited with anything from a monster to a low pair. But, alas, he didn't have anything as expected :s_biggrin:
      Seems like something I would do on tilt.