[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - QQ vs overshove.

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey veriz,

      Villain:
      Rather unknown (50h). Solid stats so far.

      Do you agree that we should give those shoves less credit than a little raise? It feels like it is almost always a draw which wants max FE.

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1824300
      DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

      BTN: $38.61
      SB: $28.80
      Hero (BB): $25.35
      UTG: $25.73
      CO: $17.98

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Q :club: Q :heart:
      2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, BTN calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.10) 7 :club: J :club: J :heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3, BTN raises to $36.11 all in, Hero calls $19.85 all in

      Turn: ($50.80) 3 :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

      River: ($50.80) 6 :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Kinda close spot, cause we need ~40% equity here and lets assume he even has some looser range there:

      Board: 7:club: J:club: J:heart:
             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    36.32%  36.32%   0.00% { QhQc }
      UTG+1  63.68%  63.68%   0.00% { KK+, TT-99, AJs, KJs, AcKc, AcTc, Tc9c, AJo, KJo }

      we actually don't get it. Bad case is that we also block the Q, J is on the board. So it might be even a spot where I might go for a crying fold while we don't beat that much. :( He has to have a really wide shoving range, even here I did still add also TT/99.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey,

      I didn't think he'll have some Jx in his range. It would be so stupid to play it this way. He'll probably calls it or raises it smaller but no need to scare away some hands with an overshove.

      He had AcKc
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Hey,

      I didn't think he'll have some Jx in his range. It would be so stupid to play it this way. He'll probably calls it or raises it smaller but no need to scare away some hands with an overshove.

      He had AcKc
      You can never be sure of that, he might be just scared and he also knows that your range is towards of many PPs which may Call off. What else would you add into his range? Why would he ever bluff this way?
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Don't really know :P . But you are probably right! :)

      At the time I was thinking 'lol, wtf, ... He is only repping AcKc... What else can he have. I have seen many draws when people shove like this... Let's call.... Aha he had it! But let's post it though'.

      :)