[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - TT call turn?

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey veriz,

      Villain:
      18/16/1300hands regular!

      BTN stats -> 29VPIP/Callopen6%/3bet=8.4%
      3Bet vs Hero -> 12%
      Cbetflop=74% (60situations) / 78% in 3b pot
      Cbetturn = 63%

      agression by street (+agg%):
      Flop: 3.86 AF = 45%
      Turn: 4.5 AF = 38%
      River: 2 AF = 18%

      Preflop : Std

      Flop : Std

      Turn : Should I call here? I thought his range should be wide enough since he is so aggro on turn/river. He gets honest otr so that isn't the problem.


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      BB: $9.65
      UTG: $66.53
      MP: $33.56
      Hero (CO): $25.00
      BTN: $26.05
      SB: $25.00

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T :heart: T :club:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.35) 5 :heart: 2 :club: 7 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $3.06, Hero calls $3.06

      Turn: ($11.47) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $6.57, Hero calls $6.57

      River: ($24.61) J :heart: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $13.92 all in, Hero folds
  • 6 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Check/Fold the turn? :) Why would you Call the turn and then still lay it down on the river, didn't change much. To go for the Call that I hope he Checks behind doesn't really work. :D

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Why?
      Look at his tendencies. Flop and turn very aggro (lot of barrels).

      If we plan to ch/f turn then why not just fold the flop?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Why?
      Look at his tendencies. Flop and turn very aggro (lot of barrels).

      If we plan to ch/f turn then why not just fold the flop?
      Well, then I'd ask you the same question. :D Why do you fold the river? :) IP CBets are often different and you have to pay attention on that.
    • flekozub
      flekozub
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.02.2012 Posts: 102
      After 1300 hands against villain I think you should know little more about his IP 3bet range, dynamic between you 2 and his sizing. Look to me that his pf and postflop sizings have tells.

      I would like to 4b/call when he makes it 10x IP as there is more money in the pot + you would avoid hard spots like this OOP.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Why?
      Look at his tendencies. Flop and turn very aggro (lot of barrels).

      If we plan to ch/f turn then why not just fold the flop?
      Well, then I'd ask you the same question. :D Why do you fold the river? :) IP CBets are often different and you have to pay attention on that.
      Why do I fold the river? Well I actually told you already :D .

      Because he is still very aggro on the turn (I think he'll barrel AK/AQ) and he gets very honnest OTR (check his agg%).

      Interesting that you mention about IP Cbet. I never really looked to it, how different can it be? IP more aggro?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Why?
      Look at his tendencies. Flop and turn very aggro (lot of barrels).

      If we plan to ch/f turn then why not just fold the flop?
      Well, then I'd ask you the same question. :D Why do you fold the river? :) IP CBets are often different and you have to pay attention on that.
      Why do I fold the river? Well I actually told you already :D .

      Because he is still very aggro on the turn (I think he'll barrel AK/AQ) and he gets very honnest OTR (check his agg%).

      Interesting that you mention about IP Cbet. I never really looked to it, how different can it be? IP more aggro?
      AF doesn't tell us much here cause he could still have super high CB on the river which you didn't point out at all.

      Some opponents are IP more straight forward as CBetting once on the flop and Checking behind overcards/draws, some do not do that. Like CB the turn with pure air then for them it also means 3rd barrel the river cause it doesn't make sense to 2nd barrel the turn. You will rarely have much fold equity in those situations.

      While of course your calling range on the river will be also very capped. :) Kinda nutted hands mainly.