[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - 77 call turn?

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Hey veriz,

      Villain:
      24/20/185h
      Cbet = 44%

      Standard to Check/Call turn?

      Should I take the note after the hand that he isn't cbetting air on such a board so that I know I should lead my PP's here in the future?

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1829783
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      SB: $25.85
      Hero (BB): $25.00
      UTG: $47.70
      CO: $25.35
      BTN: $24.94

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 7 :diamond: 7 :club:
      1 fold, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50

      Flop: ($1.60) 4 :club: 2 :heart: 2 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO checks

      Turn: ($1.60) K :club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

      River: ($3.60) 8 :spade: (2 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero folds
  • 10 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Flop: Donk it out here rather than Check it, most of his range is going to Check behind.

      As played
      Turn: Would you assume he is even capable of taking it as a bluff card?

      As played
      River: If turn answer was true then no way to fold it on the river. ;) What's the purpose of calling the turn in first place then?

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Flop: How can we know that he checks behind those flops? To me it seems like they are very good to cbet.

      Turn/River-story: I agree. But again, I can't know if he likes to bluff on the turn? Should we assume that by default?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Flop: How can we know that he checks behind those flops? To me it seems like they are very good to cbet.

      Turn/River-story: I agree. But again, I can't know if he likes to bluff on the turn? Should we assume that by default?
      Take a look at his CB? Should be super-simple-easy to understand that.

      Well, then why ain't ya calling the river if you assume that? :)
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by veriz

      Well, then why ain't ya calling the river if you assume that? :)
      Don't really understand this. if I assume what? My question was: What should I assume by default?

      Your judging tells me to call2x if he likes to bluff on that turn and fold if he doesnt like to bluff there. But how can I know? I mean, I can know it with more info but he was too unknown to me. So what should we do without any info? Call turn/Call river?
    • ACi0coiu
      ACi0coiu
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      If you/re calling the turn, call the river also. Most of the people fire turn+ here.

      And 224r, it's not a good board to cbet, because you get floated alot. You cbet with J high and get floats by Kx and Ax, besides pps.

      With big Ax you can think of cbetting for value or ch behind if he fires alot on turn and river.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by ACi0coiu
      If you/re calling the turn, call the river also. Most of the people fire turn+ here.
      I know man but that's what I'm asking all the time :( .
      What should we do?

      1) Call turn + Call river
      2) Fold turn

      I know we need to answer this question: Would you assume he is even capable of taking it as a bluff card?

      But we just can't assume anything - not enough info. So ?
    • ACi0coiu
      ACi0coiu
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      If you assume he bluffs turn, then call it. Vs. unknown, I guess you simplu take the average player at your limit and start the assumptions from there.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by ACi0coiu
      If you assume he bluffs turn, then call it. Vs. unknown, I guess you simplu take the average player at your limit and start the assumptions from there.
      But that's my question lol... What is the average? I rly don't know...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Originally posted by ACi0coiu
      If you assume he bluffs turn, then call it. Vs. unknown, I guess you simplu take the average player at your limit and start the assumptions from there.
      But that's my question lol... What is the average? I rly don't know...
      Kinda pointed out that you should already play differently on the flop but as played the turn I'd fold it cause the King improves his range and nor we haven't seen him being super aggressive or anything. With his Ace type of hands or whatsoever went for Check on the flop most likely wont try to bluff the turn either.
    • Farmarchist
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      It's all clear now, thanks coach