[NL20-NL50] NL50 4handed TT against fish

    • nickvdb1990
      nickvdb1990
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.01.2010 Posts: 1,753
      the guy is like pretty loose and rarely raises preflop
      lost his stats though

      this is a 4 seater table

      BB: €52.72
      UTG: €33.64
      BTN: €32.29
      Hero (SB): €51.09

      Hero posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has T:heart: T:diamond:

      UTG raises to €1.50, fold, Hero raises to €5.50, fold, UTG calls €4.00

      Flop: (€11.50, 2 players) 4:spade: 3:diamond: Q:diamond:
      Hero bets €6.00, UTG calls €6.00

      Turn: (€23.50, 2 players) 8:heart:
      Hero checks, UTG bets €22.14, Hero ??
  • 10 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello nickvdb1990,

      If you assuming he is loose then we are Check/Calling the turn. :) But then again you have to have assumptions on that. A lot of those loose players may also play tight postflop and maybe not even try to win the pot on the turn without having a hand.

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      If he doesn't raise much preflop then we are we not just flatting?

      Why changing our hand into a bluffcatcher? Can't we bet the turn outselves?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      If he doesn't raise much preflop then we are we not just flatting?

      Why changing our hand into a bluffcatcher? Can't we bet the turn outselves?
      Cause it's a 4handed table? :) His position ain't UTG actually.

      From what do you get called on the turn with his stack? There is tons of more money from him by turning hand into bluff-catcher.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Confusing... Sometimes it's bad to bluffcatch and other times it isn't. I thought we couldn't really bluffcatch if:
      1) Our hand is vulnerable
      2) He may have a lot of floats in his range.
      Both these things are here?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Confusing... Sometimes it's bad to bluffcatch and other times it isn't. I thought we couldn't really bluffcatch if:
      1) Our hand is vulnerable
      2) He may have a lot of floats in his range.
      Both these things are here?
      It's a 3bet pot, how vulnerable our hand can be there? From what are we scared?

      You said he me have a lot of floats in his range -> doesn't that mean it's a best spot to Check/Call? ;)
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      Confusing... Sometimes it's bad to bluffcatch and other times it isn't. I thought we couldn't really bluffcatch if:
      1) Our hand is vulnerable
      2) He may have a lot of floats in his range.
      Both these things are here?
      It's a 3bet pot, how vulnerable our hand can be there? From what are we scared?

      Any diamond, J,Q,K,A isn't great.

      You said he me have a lot of floats in his range -> doesn't that mean it's a best spot to Check/Call? ;)

      It's like here for example: Nl25 88 Fr

    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hehe, it's way different spot, starting from it being 3bet pot and 88 is much more vulnerable than TT. Plus we are inducing the opponent to ship his whole stack.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      So if we check then we should check/call his ship :)
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      And isn't it a bit more like this?
      3 bet with 10 10 Heds up nl 20
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      So if we check then we should check/call his ship :)
      Well, if you read my evaluation then you will read that Check/Call is an option. :D

      Don't look for similar hand, cause every situation can be very different. Like the link you posted, way different board, a lot more draws around and of course even PPs which pay us.