# psyxxx74

• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012
Alright so I saw Veriz's third lesson podcast, and have few questions.

A) When do you have time to calculate all that in the game? (Both Equity and Pot Odds/ Implied Odds/ Reverse Implied Odds)

B) the third example shows all in, and Veriz simulated using Equity to see if it's worth it to call All-In. I think you can also use Pot Odds to calculate for 2 Streets and It seems that it has same answer. Couldn't you have used odds/outs as well?

C) Which one is better to get used to using? Equity or Pot Odds/Implied Odds?

D) Similar to the question C, but I will like to know what IF (I'm not sure if it ever exists) there is a situation where it tells you to act differently based on Pot Odds/Implied Odds against based on Equity Calculation. In this case, which choice do you choose?
• Black
Joined: 20.07.2008
Good job! Homework #3 Done!

I am really sorry that I missed your request about the coaching, where did you do that? I usually don't miss those things... but at least you caught me with e-mail.

how much is it different from NL2 and NL25?

Tomaloc pointed out decent explanation. But also what's the difference is that you will see a lot very nitty opponents sitting on NL2/NL5 nowadays. And the higher you go the less fishy it goes. But also you start to get better.

Preflop Equity:

Equity Win Tie
UTG 50.78% 50.40% 0.38% { KsQs }
UTG+1 49.22% 48.84% 0.38% { 3d3c }

Postflop Equity:

Board: J 5 3
Equity Win Tie
UTG 26.46% 26.46% 0.00% { KsQs }
UTG+1 73.54% 73.54% 0.00% { 3d3c }

There are several occasions on turn:
a) If we take just odds for the FD and we take into account that all our odds are clean. Which means:
Total Pot = \$0,91 ; We have to Call = \$0,22 -> According to that it means we are getting ~4,16:1 odds. For flushdraw we would need 4:1. Which tells us that we are getting perfect odds.
b) If we consider the opponent having sets here:
Which means we have to discount outs, for example 6 and also 3. Which means we have 7 clean outs so that means we need 6:1 odds. That tells us that we need ~\$0,41 on river to make it profitable. If we expect the opponent being loose enough and being able to pay us no-matter what then we can do the Call here properly.
c) We might even have overcards as outs or even 4 as a out:
Although this kind of situation ain't that likely. I'd rather discount that one and either pick a) or b). Most likely towards Call.

You are doing great progress, keep going!
• Black
Joined: 20.07.2008
A) When do you have time to calculate all that in the game? (Both Equity and Pot Odds/ Implied Odds/ Reverse Implied Odds)

You wont, you rather know from experience if you have enough of it. To get enough of experience you have to analyze your hands and do those calculations.

B) the third example shows all in, and Veriz simulated using Equity to see if it's worth it to call All-In. I think you can also use Pot Odds to calculate for 2 Streets and It seems that it has same answer. Couldn't you have used odds/outs as well?

Well, usually in those cases we use simply equity cause we can also use it for equilab and find out how we do.

C) Which one is better to get used to using? Equity or Pot Odds/Implied Odds?

Both are going to be needed, Equity is going to be used the most and also Equilab.

D) Similar to the question C, but I will like to know what IF (I'm not sure if it ever exists) there is a situation where it tells you to act differently based on Pot Odds/Implied Odds against based on Equity Calculation. In this case, which choice do you choose?

Umm, don't really get the question. You can't use them same time, I mean you can but doesn't make sense. You still act accordingly for example if you have the implied odds with your draw not that if you have the equity.
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012
I'm trying to watch the NL5 video offered at lesson 4 of Beginner's Course. It seems that the video is broken (and it's in youtube).

What should I do? Should I skip it? Also what's the content of the video about?
• Black
Joined: 20.07.2008
Originally posted by psyxxx74
I'm trying to watch the NL5 video offered at lesson 4 of Beginner's Course. It seems that the video is broken (and it's in youtube).

What should I do? Should I skip it? Also what's the content of the video about?
Umm, it should be working, can you re-check?
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012

by the way the name of the video is Who is your opponent - NL5
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012
Question 1: Post a hand for evaluation in which you have the initiative postflop. (Post your hand in the Hand evaluation board, and provide a link to your hand in your private thread.)

[Sh] Nl10 Kj

Question 2: Evaluate one of the hands submitted by other members. (Choose a hand from the Hand evaluation board and post your own evaluation in the thread. Post a link to the hand you have evaluated in your private thread. You can evaluate as many hands as you want, but try to choose hands not yet evaluated by other users.)

10s vs Maniac

Question 3: You are on the flop with KQ. The board cards are J, 9, 8, and your opponent holds 77. What is your equity in this spot?

Board: 8 J 9
Equity     Win     Tie
UTG    41.41%  41.41%   0.00% { KsQd }
UTG+1  58.59%  58.59%   0.00% { 7h7c }

The equity will be 41.41%
• Black
Joined: 20.07.2008
Good job! Homework #4 Done!

They are going to take care of the video as soon they read my report. Lets hope earlier than Monday cause most of them going back to work on Monday.

This weeks homework was a bit easier. But the idea of that is to help you go through last weeks stuff if you didn't go through everything. Or either way maybe even read some more articles, watch some videos and of course attend in the coaching. What will also help for your game is the evaluation part of other members hands and of course posting your own hands.

If you have interests you could try calculating the equity with a formula which you can use even on tables(either playing online or live poker):
(Amount of outs x 4) – (Amount of outs – 8) = Your Equity

Board: J 9 8
Equity     Win     Tie
UTG    41.41%  41.41%   0.00% { KsQd }
UTG+1  58.59%  58.59%   0.00% { 7h7c }

Hopefully this wasn't too easy homework for you.
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012
How to practically apply this equity calculation in real situation?

Can you give me few examples on this issue?
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012

My hand

Question 2: Evaluate one of the hands submitted by other members. (Choose a hand from the Hand evaluation board and post your own evaluation in the thread. Post a link to the hand you have evaluated in your private thread. You can evaluate as many hands as you want, but try to choose hands not yet evaluated by other users first.)

evaluating others

Question 3: Consider the following situation:

\$10 NL Hold'em (7-handed)

Stacks & Stats:
UTG (\$10)
MP (\$8)
MP2 (\$9)
CO (\$10)
Hero(\$10)
SB (\$10) (17/13/2.6/24/1212) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]
BB (\$10) (27/9/2.0/29/333) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]

Preflop: Hero is BU with 6 , 7
4 folds, Hero raises to \$0.40, SB calls \$0.40, BB calls \$0.40

Flop: (\$1.20) 3 , 3 , T (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (\$1.20) J (3 players)
SB bets \$1.00, BB calls \$1.00, Hero...

What action would you take, and why?

I will Definitely Raise here. There is a possibility of backdoor flush draw guys waiting to see anohter card. You already have a made hand and chances of another guy having 2 diamonds is very low.

Fold is not an option. Your flush is too strong to fold.

Call- well you could, but if you hit with another diamond, the chances are your flush is dominated.

It is a very close call, but I will try to finish it on the Turn. and let's say the River card is not a Diamond, then you have already enlarged the pot to take on the river. Eitherway, I would have raised.

Question 4: Consider the following situation:

\$10 NL Hold'em (8-handed)

Stacks & Stats
UTG (\$8)
MP (\$10)
MP2 (\$9)
MP3 (\$6)
Hero (\$10)
BU (\$10) (25/21/3.8/26/1250) [VPIP/PFR/AF/WTS/Hands]
SB (\$10)
BB (\$10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J , J
4 folds, Hero raises to \$0.40, BU 3-bets to \$1.30, 2 folds, Hero calls \$1.30

Flop: (\$2.75) 6 , 9 , T (2 players)
Hero...

What action would you take, and why?

Again, it's a close call between check-raise and check-call.

My JJ is strong enough ( overpair ) but with K or Q , or A in the Turn and River, it could stop my aggression and will be bluffing, I don't have the position on the guy, so I guess I will Check-Raise to end it here, and bet the turn.

Calling will be a passive move, but it will have a thin value once K or Q or A drops considering his VPIP range he can have any Kx, Ax, and some Qx.
If the enemy bets on the Turn and River and Turn has any of that scare cards, definitely will only call one of the street. I will assume my JJ will have only 2 streets of value.

Let's talk about other possibility: Donking -> not really. it's proably better to check raise than donk.
• Black
Joined: 20.07.2008
Good Job! Homework #5 Done!

Can you give me few examples on this issue?

You can apply it with the same 4th calculation as well, where you know that guy has 77, count your outs and put that into the calculation and will get estimated equity. Try that out. I give you a tip that we have overcards as outs + gut shot.

It's a very close decision: does protection or pot control weigh heavier here? Do you want to protect against hands like 3x or A:dx and K:dx? Or do you want to control the pot size and try to induce a bluff on the river in case there is no T, no J and no additional ?

Raise/fold is out of question - with the given pot size and the good made hand you have, it can't even be considered.

In case you decide to go broke, you can't really be blamed either. It's not a sign of weakness that the rather tight small blind decides to bet into two people here, though. I would say a call is to be slightly favored, while the many outs against you are annoying. The big blind who calls rather loosely speaks in favor of a raise/broke again. Both options are finally considered equal, which shows - all things considered - how close and full of variance these spots really are.

You've called pre-flop and then hit a good board. You basically have two choices now: either you assume that your opponent will go broke loosely or puts you on a bluff often and you thus check/raise - or you play check/call in the spirit of way ahead / way behind. The problem with the latter is that there are a lot of cards you don't want to see in the later course of the hand. All in all, it depends on your balancing as both lines make sense under certain circumstances.

A check/fold would be really pointless, of course. It's hard to say whether you should donk-bet here; donk/fold can be discarded as that would turn your hand into a pure bluff and your opponent would interpret this as weakness and start raising you out of flops with hands like AK/AQ/air. So, if you want to donk-bet, it has to be a donk/3-bet.

Good luck on tables and with the Course.
• Bronze
Joined: 10.06.2012
Long time no see. I have been away from poker for almost an year and a half, forgot everything so i started reading all over again, and I guess I'm up to date. I joined some good study groups where they review my hands as well.. not sure how to use them and at the same time use the hand evaluation here, as they are sometimes more handy cuz I can ask related questions after they give me advice on thought process, etc..

Anyways, homework.

Question 1.:

99 setmine slowplay

Question 2:

NL10 Zoom - slow playing

Although on the Question 2, being OOP I still think slow playing is not that good choice despite the fact that the flop being dry. I mean w/o the scare card on the turn the villain may c/f on the turn then you just lost your value on the street On the other hand if you raise and if he calls then you got two street of value (2nd bet ) and you might get another one, if he continues to follow on the dry board. Whereas flop raise still seems more bluffy than turn & river too... It maybe a style but I try to practice fast play as much as possible unless it is better to slow play IP only... (funny I actually posted slow play on Question 1, which kinda contradicts)

Question3:

Although I will really like to say fold if you see strong aggression from Fish and some play was fishy like this one (all the sudden donking to show aggression),
I will say CALL and see what he does on river. You have two pair. if I had one pair, I would have folded. If it was zoom (fast fold poker) I MAY have folded, (i tend to avoid tricky part on zoom because the games go on easily) but not on Regular play. I don't want the guy to keep doing that over. Assuming that call will be my best option here.

Now the question is, it is likely that he will bet again on river. What if he bets big?
Is my 2 pair good enough? That I'm not sure. I hope the coach can give me an advice here...
• Bronze
Joined: 23.06.2008
Good grief, hello there psyxxx74 and welcome back to poker!

Let's hope you can remember at least a little of what you learned, but if not it's all good and it's what the course is for after all.

Enjoy the course and have fun!

Mal.