When to call opponents 3-bet preflop with AK?

    • timukasr
      timukasr
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      Joined: 26.05.2007 Posts: 1,820
      Pretty usual situation, you raise first in with AK and opponent 3-bets you. Now when should I call it?

      If we give opponent usual range of JJ+ AK then we have equity of 40% but that's only by river. We will fold if we don't hit the flop and if we do hit the K flop we will win JJ and QQ and split with AK, if we hit A on the flop we will win JJ, QQ, KK and split with AK.

      Here are some sample hands:

      Hand 1:

      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      Hero:
      $25
      MP3:
      $4.94
      SB:
      $38.71
      BU:
      $5
      BB:
      $26.81
      CO:
      $5.97
      UTG+2:
      $22.72
      MP1:
      $12.06

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:club: , A:club:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, 2 folds, BU raises to $3.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.00, BU raises to $5.00 (All-In).

      Hand 2:

      Known players: (for a description of vp$ip, pfr, ats, folded bb, af, wts, wsd or hands click here)
      UTG+2:
      $23.54
      Hero:
      $31.36
      MP2:
      $97.05
      BU:
      $4.39
      CO:
      $4.04
      UTG+1:
      $25.35
      SB:
      $24.40
      BB:
      $14.65
      MP3:
      $25

      0.10/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:heart: , A:diamond:
      2 folds, Hero raises to $1.00, MP2 calls $1.00, 4 folds, BB raises to $4.40, Hero calls $3.40, MP2 calls $3.40.

      These situations are all with shortstacks and I think with them the line is to go all-in but sadly I didn't find any hands with bigstacks because the main question is what to do with them.

      In these situations we don't have stats about the opponent.
  • 9 replies
    • helemaalnicks
      helemaalnicks
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      Joined: 21.09.2007 Posts: 7,195
      looks ok i guess, both
    • matkov
      matkov
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      Joined: 15.11.2007 Posts: 202
      What about from a SSS view. Why do you have to push from a stack size : raise size ratio 4:1 to 2.5 : 1 with AA-TT, AK, AQ. BUT not with 88-99? I mean i would rather push with 99 than AQ?

      If i push preflop with AQ and I'm against a pocket pair, let's say 99. The odds are 45 : 55 in favour of nines. If I push with 99 and am against AK I'm also a slight favourite.
      I know it's pretty much a coinflip, but isn't it better to be on a slightly better side of the coin? Basiclly I wanna know, why AK is better than TT to push preflop, and AQ is better than 99-88 according to SSS ?

      Thanks

      sry, for bad english
    • chenny8888
      chenny8888
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      Joined: 03.10.2007 Posts: 19,324
      because AK vs JJ is still 55:45. whereas TT to JJ is 20:80 same goes for comparisons to QQ, etc.

      the small amount you gain from these 5% edges is more than overridden by when you run into an 80/20.
    • matkov
      matkov
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      Joined: 15.11.2007 Posts: 202
      aha okay, but it sucks if I'm on the button or the blinds with TT and cuttoff raises and I must fold :D
    • slikec
      slikec
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      Joined: 04.02.2008 Posts: 1,155
      Originally posted by matkov
      aha okay, but it sucks if I'm on the button or the blinds with TT and cuttoff raises and I must fold :D
      I usually go all in especially if he likes to steal my blinds often(did like two of three times before).
    • matkov
      matkov
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      Joined: 15.11.2007 Posts: 202
      yeah and I offten found that he is stealing and then calling my all in with an ace high. So it's probably profitable to go all in with my nines (when I'm on blinds), isn't it
    • xxxdannyxxx
      xxxdannyxxx
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      Joined: 30.05.2008 Posts: 1,033
      i usually use poker tracker and see there values.but i always go all in with AA-KK-AK
    • TimothyVdp1
      TimothyVdp1
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      Joined: 11.12.2007 Posts: 5,820
      If you have a hud u can play looser on the button/blinds vs a cutoff raise if he has a high ATS
    • slikec
      slikec
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      Joined: 04.02.2008 Posts: 1,155
      Originally posted by matkov
      aha okay, but it sucks if I'm on the button or the blinds with TT and cuttoff raises and I must fold :D
      I usually push. Depends on player most of the time.