[NL20-NL50] SH25 - JJ on QQ4

    • chocular77
      chocular77
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 1,102

      $0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
      HEM
      5 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($25) 100bb
      CO ($25.30) 101bb
      BTN ($29.05) 116bb
      SB ($41.40) 166bb
      cincinkid (BB) ($26.70) 107bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.40, 5 players) cincinkid is BB Q A
      UTG bets $0.90, 3 folds, cincinkid calls $0.65

      I'm ahead of his OR range and i thought i can't 3B for value.

      Flop: 4 Q J ($1.95, 2 players)
      cincinkid checks, UTG bets $1.35, cincinkid calls $1.35

      The drawyBoard doesn't concern me because there are not many fdraws in his range.
      There should still be a lot of hands against i'm ahead.

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 41.34% 37.61% 3.72% { 99+, 44, AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AcTc, JsTs, JcTc, Ac9c, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }
      MP3 58.66% 54.94% 3.72% { AsQs }


      Turn: 6 ($4.65, 2 players)
      cincinkid checks, UTG bets $2.85, cincinkid calls $2.85

      With his 2ndBarrel his range got much stronger so i think i should just fold here.
      I took a glimpse at his turn AF which is high, but with his tight range this just means he has always a strong hand on turn.

      Equity Win Tie
      MP2 65.47% 58.04% 7.43% { JJ+, 44, AQs, KQs, QJs, AcKc, AcJc, KcJc, AQo, KQo, QJo }
      MP3 34.53% 27.10% 7.43% { AsQs }


      River: K ($10.35, 2 players)
      cincinkid checks, UTG bets $3.75, cincinkid calls $3.75

      Scary card for him too and he still bets, i should be really behind here.
      But i thought if i called the turn i have to call such a small bet on river.

      Final Pot: $17.85
  • 4 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello chocular77,

      What do you beat on the river? :P He doesn't even have many bluffs in his range there. Most likely a thin value-bet or even bluff-induce with some nutted hand or if thin value-bet then just something like KQ.

      Best Regards.
    • HansTheGreat
      HansTheGreat
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.02.2010 Posts: 3,807
      Hey guys,

      Actually interesting evaluation TBH. And it got me thinking that is there any card on which he actually C a river B? I mean obviously a K or a are the worst ones even I m not sure if he would bet the T with a FD. But I(we) learned from your evaluations mostly that if we C OOP the T we should also very often plan to C the R. So after this it raises up the question should be even C the T? If yes is it just because of the odds? And which cards are the so called blank OTR so we could C (would we still call if 2 came)?
    • chocular77
      chocular77
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.06.2010 Posts: 1,102
      I didn't have this ranges in mind while playing so after taking a closer look i would have folded the turn.
      If no club or K hit we could at least beat KQ, (don't think he would barrel draws twice so not in his range) but with this river we beat absolutely nothing.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Why do people always think that if we Call the turn we have to Call the river. :P It's not really true and never will be. If most of the things got there and we practically have to assume him having tons of worse hands and even pairs to be turned into bluff to ever come up with profit. Why is river a Call?

      Turn Call is still fine while he may 2nd barrel draws there and even weaker hands as Jx even.