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[NL2-NL10] KK Vs Quads

    • 3prswins
      Joined: 27.07.2011 Posts: 204
      Hand converted with online hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Known players:
      MP3 (Hero):

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, K.
      MP2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, 4 folds, MP2 calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($0.95) Q, Q, J (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.60, MP2 raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.60.

      Turn: ($3.35) Q (2 players)
      MP2 checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($3.35) 7 (2 players)
      MP2 bets $3.10, Hero raises to $11.99(All-In), MP2 calls $3.10(All-In).

      Final Pot: $21.54.
      Results follow:

      Hero shows a full-house, queens full of kings(K K).
      MP2 shows four of a kind, queens(Q 8).

      MP2 wins with four of a kind, queens(Q 8).

      Could i play this any differently? Are we always going broke here?

  • 5 replies
    • autheking
      Joined: 16.02.2011 Posts: 131
      Hey, once you get check min raised on flop you have to start putting your opponent on a range. He is clearly a fish as he limp called pre and most fish usually take check min raise lines with only nuts. I would fold in this spot as he almost always has Qx in this spot.
      Once you call the flop you are basically bluff catching as you do not beat any of his value range.
      Your river raise is actually pretty bad as only hands that call you have you beat.You have to think of a hand that will call your river shove that you have beat and there is none. Remember that you had a bluff catcher on flop against a range that is either air or quads on this board.I would call though and not fold as there are very few Qx hands in his range now.
      My advice to you is don't look at the absolute strength of your hand but how it fares against your opponents range.
    • 3prswins
      Joined: 27.07.2011 Posts: 204
      Thanks for the feedback Autheking....
      On the flop I thought he had the Qx. however as you say, after the turn there are very few Qx.
      Would he take this line with Jx? He would definitely call the river with Jx, but how many Jx's play this way. Maybe AJ or JJ.
    • EinsteinFranck
      Joined: 30.01.2009 Posts: 169
      I wouldn't be that surprise to see a fish trying to snap with the As neither on such a line.
    • autheking
      Joined: 16.02.2011 Posts: 131
      I think he will continue to barrel with his Jx hands on the turn so his check smells of quards.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello 3prswins,

      Rather Bet the turn instead of raising the river. It's quite obvious that he isn't going to overplay his Jx, he has to be really bad for it. For that given reason I might even Call him down there.

      Best Regards.