[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - QQ easy broke or close or easy fold?

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey,

      Vill:
      28/19/434h -> marked as 'Kinda Fishy'
      Only 23% foldto3bet
      56% foldtocbet
      22 wtsd + 32w$sd
      1.27AF
      Raiseflop 9%

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1842807
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      CO: $10.85
      Hero (BTN): $25.88
      SB: $27.48
      BB: $34.76
      UTG: $25.70

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q :club: Q :diamond:
      UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.75

      Flop: ($5.35) 2 :heart: 4 :spade: 6 :club: (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $3.50, UTG raises to $8.30, Hero calls $4.80

      Turn: ($21.95) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
      UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $15.08 all in, UTG calls $11.90 all in

      River: ($51.75) 3 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)
  • 9 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      If I am 3betting for value vs this guy then it also means I am planning to go broke postflop on such a dry board.

      Best Regards.
    • K2AA72
      K2AA72
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      Joined: 11.11.2007 Posts: 2,590
      Hi,

      Veriz do you really see people raising hands like 99-JJ on this board? Don't you think JJ+ and 22-66 (including 33 and 55 for semibluffs) is a more realistic range?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by K2AA72
      Hi,

      Veriz do you really see people raising hands like 99-JJ on this board? Don't you think JJ+ and 22-66 (including 33 and 55 for semibluffs) is a more realistic range?
      As hero pointed out "Kinda Fishy", fold to 3bet 23%, raise flop not very nitty so yeah, he could be overplaying his overpairs.

      That's true that his AF is pretty low but I can't take a look at that cause the sample is very small, AFq must be taken into account here.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      AFq flop: 27%
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by Farmarchist
      AFq flop: 27%
      It's really close here and dependent on the dynamics anyhow. Had few similar situations yesterday where I had guys Check/Raising the same spots with JJ/TT. But against me it might be also a bit different cause I have an aggressive image.

      But I do agree that I am never excluding from his range KK/AA and with overall passive guy K2AA72 might be even correct. But if I'd follow the plan is the question, usually if I 3bet for value vs such a guys I plan to go broke as well on dry board. Unless the W$SD is super high, which it ain't in that case.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Well this hand happened a few hands before the QQ-hand:

      He is also the villain obv

      Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1843415
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      Hero (BB): $25.47
      CO: $30.06
      BTN: $27.95
      SB: $25.80

      Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J :heart: A :heart:
      1 fold, BTN raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3.25, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50

      Flop: ($7.25) K :heart: 6 :diamond: Q :heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $4.15, SB calls $4.15

      Turn: ($15.55) J :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($15.55) 8 :spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks

      Final Pot: $15.55
      Hero mucks J :heart: A :heart:
      SB shows K :diamond: 9 :diamond: (a pair of Kings)
      SB wins $14.85
      (Rake: $0.70)
    • K2AA72
      K2AA72
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      yeah he is pretty passive... When someone raises this board in this spot I instantly think of sets...

      low stakes loose passives probably just call down with 77-TT I would think...
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Yep, seems like the case here. Might be a trap and not sets but rather KK/AA which try to be fancy. :D But of course we ain't excluding sets.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Originally posted by veriz
      Yep, seems like the case here. Might be a trap and not sets but rather KK/AA which try to be fancy. :D But of course we ain't excluding sets.
      yep, he had KK.

      Goddamnit ;(