[NL20-NL50] NL25sh - QQ queeze/fold?

    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Hey
      (not my hand)

      21/15/10,8/50 over 103 handen

      Is it bad to squeeze/fold?


      $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
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      6 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG AlexNN463 ($25) 100bb
      UTG+1 blazeol ($27.93) 112bb
      CO Maxymus_K ($25) 100bb
      BTN evergreen255 ($25.71) 103bb
      SB TrIGoRs ($6.24) 25bb
      BB Hero ($35.95) 144bb

      Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB Q:diamond: Q:heart:
      AlexNN463 raises to $1, blazeol calls $1, Maxymus_K calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.75, AlexNN463 goes all-in $25, blazeol folds, Maxymus_K folds, Hero calls $20.25

      Flop: 8:diamond: K:diamond: 5:heart: ($52.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      Turn: 8:club: ($52.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)

      River: A:heart: ($52.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)
  • 5 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello Farmarchist,

      Squeeze/Fold is still possible here but if it's going to be reasonable. I mean why would we squeeze there? Do we think that one of the callers is bad player? Or what's the idea of it. If we are against reasonable opponents then we wont get called even from worse hands there.

      Nor of course in vacuum vs UTG you wont be able to earn huge profit here. What do we assume he is 4bet/Shoving vs our line?

      Best Regards.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
      Bronze
      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      I mean why would we squeeze there? Do we think that one of the callers is bad player?

      1) Probably there is a fishy oppo coldcalling.
      2) QQ multiway oop here isn't great. Our hand is too good for it. OR can still call JJ/AK maybe? If the others ship we have an easy call. The only thing we are a bit afraid of is a 4bet from the OR.

      What do we assume he is 4bet/Shoving vs our line?

      I assume QQ+, AKs. Maybe not AKs, don't really know. We look really strong here.
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Squeezing is still fine in multiway pot if we assume there are enough of bad players who may flat. But I disagree that QQ ain't good for multiway, we can perfectly well play for set value and even an overpair.

      Afterwards we do squeeze we will rarely see a lot worse hands from UTG, especially if he is a REG, and practically a range against we at the best just flip there. Doubt that the guy would even come up with something like JJ. So towards your range.
    • Farmarchist
      Farmarchist
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      Joined: 27.12.2010 Posts: 14,640
      Afterwards we do squeeze we will rarely see a lot worse hands from UTG, especially if he is a REG, and practically a range against we at the best just flip there. Doubt that the guy would even come up with something like JJ. So towards your range.


      So you would squeeze/fold too?


      Squeezing is still fine in multiway pot if we assume there are enough of bad players who may flat.


      And just call if there is no fish?
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Depends a lot how I see the guy, assuming that our equity which is needed here is going to be ~40%. We can set up his range which goes broke, according to that we act either we go broke or not. And see if we can do it profitable. For example:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    28.52%  25.50%   3.02% { QQ }
      UTG+1  71.48%  68.45%   3.02% { QQ+, AKs }

      we ain't having very good equity. For example included AKo:

             Equity     Win     Tie
      UTG    40.21%  38.35%   1.86% { QQ }
      UTG+1  59.79%  57.93%   1.86% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

      we get break-even although win is even 38,35% which means negative profit in long run, unless we assume the guy is capable of shoving with worse.

      Yes, vs reggish players we could do that vs UTG, I'd be more towards Squeeze/Broke vs a range like CO+BTN or whatsoever, even dependent on the opponents MP also but rather not vs UTG.