600nl we 4bet flop and jam turn for no reason

    • pleno1
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      I think I messed up this hand.

      Thoughts on turn? Will post thoughts after

      €3/€6 No Limit Holdem
      Prima
      4 Players
      Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      CO Player3 (€1,277) 213bb
      BTN Player4 (€724) 121bb
      SB Player6 (€2,106.47) 351bb
      BB pleno1 (€734.49) 122bb

      Pre-Flop: (€9, 4 players) pleno1 is BB A 6
      1 fold, Player4 raises to €12, 1 fold, pleno1 calls €6

      Flop: 2 4 5 (€27, 2 players)
      pleno1 checks, Player4 bets €16, pleno1 raises to €60, Player4 raises to €130, pleno1 raises to €231, Player4 calls €101

      Turn: J (€489, 2 players)
      pleno1 bets €491.49 (all in)
  • 7 replies
    • FeelMeFlow
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      My initial reaction is to either flat the flop 3b or 4b it bigger.

      As played I don't hate it although he's not folding much here
    • pleno1
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      Originally posted by FeelMeFlow

      he's not folding much here
      Except his air :D
    • FeelMeFlow
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      Doubt he has much air but he will have some random 3s, 67, lower fds which will fold which is why I don't hate the shove. I'm just saying I think he's snapping here with over pairs and made hands more than he's folding
    • GVVFR15
      GVVFR15
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      Interesting hand. If you think he can have air here its probably better to check/shove on the turn. If he floated he is most likely going to bet 1/4 pot on turn.
    • pleno1
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      Originally posted by GVVFR15
      Interesting hand. If you think he can have air here its probably better to check/shove on the turn. If he floated he is most likely going to bet 1/4 pot on turn.
      If he has some kind of gutshot or hand with small equity vs the top of my range do you think he takes he 1/4 pot or jam line? There is a pot sized bet left btw.
    • imfromsweden007
      imfromsweden007
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      Hmm I think you played it OK tbh, I don't really like shoving/raising bigger over his flop 3bet. I would only flat his 3bet vs nits who only do this with sets/straights.

      As played I would also shove.
    • getdotacom
      getdotacom
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      Don't know much about your preflop ranges, but can u have sets here ? I've called down with Ahi in villains shoes in these spots and it's fd 99% of the time, won't be surprised to see ATo :P

      As played, c/c turn could be better IMO. We make him fold only hands we beat, something like 87 or super weak fds, so I can't see point in betting. Also don't mind seeing free card, sometimes villain could showdown some weak pair which saves us a lot of money and it's unlikely he's checking back any air on the turn, so we won't be bluffed off our hand on the river.