I suck

    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      Im a LAG online and a NIT live! I cant seem to put people on hands, or track the play very well. I dont really know what to do. I've ordered harrington on holdem cash games vol 1 in the hopes of learning new strategy. All I want is to be a winning player, even at nl25 or something so I can go live in the Phillapines or somewhere nice and warm adn cheap like that.

      Thing is, i dont know where to start to fix my game.....
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    • ItsTeddyKGB
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      So you've.. ordered a pretty old book to learn a new strategy?

      Seems about right.
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      just felt i needed something I havnt read

      but yeah, cheers for constructive help bro
    • VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by joeldowey123
      Thing is, i dont know where to start to fix my game.....
      You posted this on the site with arguably the largest collection of poker material online, and your problem is...

      I just watched a video by bogdan where he uses a tool to simulate poker play over millions of hands. The value for the length and depth of the AVERAGE downswing was stunning.

      There was also a value for the shortest downswing experienced by any of the players -- it was also far larger than I imagined.

      Perhaps you don't even need to fix your game?

      I have been playing on iPoker since June -- just micros -- and trying to play as TAG as I can. I'm down 8 BI, and it would be 15 except I've cashed well in a couple of freerolls.

      I recently had a look at my database, and found that over 10K hands only:
      Set over Set: lost 3x won once
      Cracked AAs: Lost 4x won twice
      That is 4 BI right there net.

      If you think you need to work on your game, take part in the coachings, post hands, ask questions, study articles.

      If you think you need to work on your mindset, there is stuff for that too.

      Good Luck! <== I mean it!
      --VS
    • magicadil
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      You can do it! All you need is a little motivation! Start by watching videos on Youtube, and learn how pros play hands in different situations. You don't suck, but if you make yourself feel you do, then you'll be a losing player. Also, go to your local casino and play there. I'm running very bad online lately, but at the casino it's filled with donkeys who are just there for fun and only have little knowledge of the game.

      You should read articles on Pokerstrategy on how to improve your game. Out of 10 live tournaments I play, I can usually take down 4-5. I gained all the knowledge from watching videos on Youtube.
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      thanks for the post man I really appreciate it

      I think I'm just down in the dumps really! I do have poker mindset which ive read a few times and go over particular chapters every so often. I think I've lost a bit of focus, maybe some time away would be good and not think about the game.

      I dunno, I'm just waffling here, I'll see how i feel in the morning. Watch some motivaional vids and crack on!

      thanks again though
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      magicadil - played live tourney tonight and players are so bad there! I was dealt a lot of muck but i played poorly too, not pulling the trigger when i knew opponent was weak etc

      I wish I could start fresh, but old habits are hard to break
    • Ectoz
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      Poker is not for everybody.If you didn't get the hang of it by now,hate to break it to you,maybe you're everybody.

      My 1bb for NL2 : Don't read articles,understand them.The articles here have in them the governing concepts of NLHE.You have to understand how they work and then PLAY. experience = knowledge

      You can watch videos,but it's not like some magic cloud puffs in your head and suddenly you're beating the game.A lot of videos are bullshit and superfluous anyway.

      Deposit 300$ and play NL10.There's not much difference between the levels and rec players are going to be rec players regardless of limit.Regulars are tough?Please...

      Take it from there,you're wasting time on NL2.

      If you don't have 300$,I'm sorry,what else can I say?150$ and it's shot taking time?But if you currently don't beat NL2,that would be irresponsible.

      GO!
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      cheers for the pep talk bro

      I can beat NL2 and NL5, even NL10, just lately been struggling! need to refocus and regain composure!

      I do understand the articles, the concepts there are posing, application is my struggle.

      I need help on putting people on ranges etc.

      Just need to start working harder i think
    • sandymanufan
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      il tell u its all bout mindset bro..
      confidence is everything..
      i play sh cash and started wid micros...had reachd nl30 and was taking shots at 50 as well...then it all went south...and at one point i was back to nl 2 and nl5..which sucked..and i thought i can never win and poker aint for me and all.
      but stopped for a week or so..gathered my thoughts set my goals...and just ijnected some confidence in myself..

      and slowly but surely i am back to my nl 30 and 50....

      good luck....
    • Ectoz
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      Originally posted by joeldowey123
      cheers for the pep talk bro

      I can beat NL2 and NL5, even NL10, just lately been struggling! need to refocus and regain composure!

      I do understand the articles, the concepts there are posing, application is my struggle.

      I need help on putting people on ranges etc.

      Just need to start working harder i think
      kind of arrogant for someone who is asking for advice/opinions and with a thread title like "I suck"

      From this post above,it looks like you have it figured out,so gogogo.
    • kipperkalle
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      Putting people on hand ranges at micros is pretty difficult since these people can play any two. I think it would be way easier concentrating on playing ABC poker and not worry so much what others have.
    • Ectoz
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      Originally posted by kipperkalle
      Putting people on hand ranges at micros is pretty difficult since these people can play any two. I think it would be way easier concentrating on playing ABC poker and not worry so much what others have.
      I couldn't disagree more.Very few play as uncoordinated as you say.If you break it down to combo counting,just add 2-6-12-18 air combos,depending on how crazy you believe him to be.

      Play ABC and lose up to 5bb/100 from your winrate at the micros.You will have 1-2bb/100 at NL 10,move up,and that shit just won't cut it anymore. Guess what that 1bb per 100 at NL10 looks like at NL25,NL50...

      If you beat it for more with ABC,then congratz on game-selecting.
    • kipperkalle
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      Originally posted by Ectoz
      Originally posted by kipperkalle
      Putting people on hand ranges at micros is pretty difficult since these people can play any two. I think it would be way easier concentrating on playing ABC poker and not worry so much what others have.
      I couldn't disagree more.Very few play as uncoordinated as you say.If you break it down to combo counting,just add 2-6-12-18 air combos,depending on how crazy you believe him to be.

      Play ABC and lose up to 5bb/100 from your winrate at the micros.You will have 1-2bb/100 at NL 10,move up,and that shit just won't cut it anymore. Guess what that 1bb per 100 at NL10 looks like at NL25,NL50...

      If you beat it for more with ABC,then congratz on game-selecting.
      Meh, I play more FL these days, so I could be way off.

      Certainly people have tendencies - some play suited cards more often, some connected cards, some just splash around with any broadway. However for most of them the range is still wide and thinking too much about their hands will not necessarily lead to better decisions. Reads certainly help, but with so many new players every day, these have their limitations too.
    • bennisboy
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      If you're reading the articles and thinking you understand them, but not having much joy implementing them, you could possibly benefit from Leakbuster (HEM add-on).

      It can analyse your play for you, tell you where your stats look a bit suspect, and what you need to work on. As well as including videos of how to work on it.

      If you have some spare cash, it's worth it. It also helps you to work on your game leak by leak, and avoid overcompensating
    • holmeboy
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      Originally posted by VorpalF2F

      If you think you need to work on your game, take part in the coachings, post hands, ask questions, study articles.

      --VS
      Excellent advice. If your struggling try posting hands in hand evaluation. Or even commenting and having go at evaluating other player's hands. There are plenty of good videos here too..

      When I'm struggling I find the best thing is to go back to basics. A lot of the time when I'm 'running bad' is usually when I end up spewing and playing in dominated spots so one thing that helps me for example is I have a 'base range' saved on equilab that plays out like 20/16/5 and when I'm struggling/running bad I'll revert to that and it helps me avoid marginal spots post flop and regain my composure. (I play about 27/22/10 normally btw)

      Perhaps it might be worth dropping down a limit to regain some confidence?

      And as I'm a firm believer in 'preflop compounds postflop'. I think there is an excellent video series that might help:

      Preflop play
    • joeldowey123
      joeldowey123
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      thanks very much everyone for your help! Love his place at times, everyone really helpful!!!

      Ectoz - i wasnt tryin to be arrogant, sorry if I came across that way, just trying to talk myself into a better frame of mind!!

      Bennisboy - I'll have a look at leakbuster, see how much it is etc and maybe at the end of the month I'll try it out!

      Holmeboy - thanks for your words. I havnt posted many hands recently, or commented on them! I used to do it a lot, about a year or so ago but fell out of the habit of doing it! Think im playing more than studying at the min so I'll have to make it more 50/50 or so

      And yeah, a base range sounds like a good idea i'll try that out too!

      feeling much better - thanks guys :f_love: